2024 Football Season
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@ HS Football Fanatic:
1, Enrolments. I love football and watching the games so much that I went thru all the enrollments and made myself a list by the football divisions. As I mentioned about Kaimuki and Roosevelt, plus some other fun facts:
- ROOSEVELT about 1800 students including about 400 something from Anuenue, a Hawaiian immersion public charter school. (ALL the kids from Anuenue are assigned to Roosevelt for sports, at least for football). Roosevelt should probably be D1 based on enrollment. They are bigger than Pearl City, another big D2/D1 school (currently D1).
- KAIMUKI is about 600. I think only WAIALUA is smaller on Oahu now.
-1) CAMPBELL, 2) WAIPAHU, and 3) MILILANI have the biggest enrollments on Oahu, in that order. (3K-2.5K)
-Other "tweeners": Moanalua is another big school at around 2K that should probably be in the Open, currently D1. Waianae (D1 currently, Open before) is about 1800,
-Kahuku is about 925 but like I said Kahuku is an EXCEPTION.
All I agree that it's not all about enrollment, but enrollment should be a MAJOR factor when assessing a program.
2. LOL, you are right - I misstated what I wanted to say which is that "great programs don't rebuild, they RELOAD." LOL. Reload is what I meant. Great programs don't have to rebuild they just RELOAD. Long live the great Marcus Mariota who didn't start for STL till Senior Year! Legend.
1, Enrolments. I love football and watching the games so much that I went thru all the enrollments and made myself a list by the football divisions. As I mentioned about Kaimuki and Roosevelt, plus some other fun facts:
- ROOSEVELT about 1800 students including about 400 something from Anuenue, a Hawaiian immersion public charter school. (ALL the kids from Anuenue are assigned to Roosevelt for sports, at least for football). Roosevelt should probably be D1 based on enrollment. They are bigger than Pearl City, another big D2/D1 school (currently D1).
- KAIMUKI is about 600. I think only WAIALUA is smaller on Oahu now.
-1) CAMPBELL, 2) WAIPAHU, and 3) MILILANI have the biggest enrollments on Oahu, in that order. (3K-2.5K)
-Other "tweeners": Moanalua is another big school at around 2K that should probably be in the Open, currently D1. Waianae (D1 currently, Open before) is about 1800,
-Kahuku is about 925 but like I said Kahuku is an EXCEPTION.
All I agree that it's not all about enrollment, but enrollment should be a MAJOR factor when assessing a program.
2. LOL, you are right - I misstated what I wanted to say which is that "great programs don't rebuild, they RELOAD." LOL. Reload is what I meant. Great programs don't have to rebuild they just RELOAD. Long live the great Marcus Mariota who didn't start for STL till Senior Year! Legend.
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You've mentioned many times how McKinley is poached by St Louis in football. What do you think is the reason for the other "town schools", like Roosevelt, Kalani, Kaimuki, Kaiser, only being able to be in D2? Kaiser and Roosevelt have been successful in D2, but that's still at the smallest level. The only public town school that has been somewhat successful at a higher level is Farrington, and even then they are in Open, but at the bottom of the standings. Farrington is 0-4 in Open this season.HS Football Fanatic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 3:36 pm @RealTalk:
1. Wow; Roosevelt's enrollment is three times as large as Kaimuki's? Didn't know that. I knew Kaimuki's enrollment was small, but not that small.
2. Don't you need good incoming material to rebuild? I know St Louis gets good players every year, so basically all HC Alualu has to do is reload. Not so for Kaimuki HC Tautofi (he is the coach now, right?); Kaimuki doesn't get good players every year. Seems they get good players only once in a while; not consistently.
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@Chad Fukuoka. Great question, great topic. Interested to hear what everybody thinks on this one.
FIRST, its culture and coaching (who sets the culture up for success. . . or not). For example, I believe Iolani might have dropped football altogether (like Mid Pac) except for its current Coach and the success. Good coaches can work magic because they care about each and every kid and want to bring out the best in each and every kid. And good coaches are fair. Good coaches are not just there to make their son the star QB or whatever. Good coaches gain trust and buy-in from all the players which is something you need to consistently "reload" and win. Playing favorites or not caring and adapting to players doesn't work because it DIVIDES teams. Good coaches, especially at the hs level, need to adapt to the kids they have, and care about all of them.
SECOND, A part of this (a big part) is also the "genetic lottery"" and who is attending the school, not just enrollment. But please read my first paragraph before this. . . Because good coaches can work magic in a kid's life. Let's focus on that part.
THIRD, the best recruiter is winning. This adds to the drama of Kahuku v. Campbell, at least for me. I think Kahuku knows its back is up against the wall not just for this year but going forward because they also realize this. Kahuku has been a Dynasty, like STL, and Iolani. You can tell the current Kahuku Coach cares about the kids, and is fair, if you look closely enough. They are well-coached. Respect. But even dynasties come to an end.
FIRST, its culture and coaching (who sets the culture up for success. . . or not). For example, I believe Iolani might have dropped football altogether (like Mid Pac) except for its current Coach and the success. Good coaches can work magic because they care about each and every kid and want to bring out the best in each and every kid. And good coaches are fair. Good coaches are not just there to make their son the star QB or whatever. Good coaches gain trust and buy-in from all the players which is something you need to consistently "reload" and win. Playing favorites or not caring and adapting to players doesn't work because it DIVIDES teams. Good coaches, especially at the hs level, need to adapt to the kids they have, and care about all of them.
SECOND, A part of this (a big part) is also the "genetic lottery"" and who is attending the school, not just enrollment. But please read my first paragraph before this. . . Because good coaches can work magic in a kid's life. Let's focus on that part.
THIRD, the best recruiter is winning. This adds to the drama of Kahuku v. Campbell, at least for me. I think Kahuku knows its back is up against the wall not just for this year but going forward because they also realize this. Kahuku has been a Dynasty, like STL, and Iolani. You can tell the current Kahuku Coach cares about the kids, and is fair, if you look closely enough. They are well-coached. Respect. But even dynasties come to an end.
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@RealTalk:
1. Isn't Anuenue School in Palolo? If that's the case, they should be playing football for Kaimuki; Palolo is within Kaimuki High's boundaries. And, Kaimuki needs football players more than Roosevelt does. Who's the rocket scientist who decided that Anuenue's football players should play for Roosevelt High?
1. Isn't Anuenue School in Palolo? If that's the case, they should be playing football for Kaimuki; Palolo is within Kaimuki High's boundaries. And, Kaimuki needs football players more than Roosevelt does. Who's the rocket scientist who decided that Anuenue's football players should play for Roosevelt High?
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https://twitter.com/MichaelLasquero/status/1846965797908079096kapakahi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 10:05 pmYep....verbally committed to SMU over offers from Cal, Colorado, North Carolina State, UNLV.
https://twitter.com/jacob_wp75/status/1790941343814197634
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Thanks @kapakahi on this info re: Kahuku's new OL Maiava. I'm not so sure, but if those offers are real, this kid must be really good. . . He's 6'2"[undersized] and hasn't played in a year .
I continue to shake my head thinking about Kahuku now. This is lame. This has potential to turn on Kahuku, I think.
@HS Football Fanatic. "Isn't Anuenue School in Palolo? If that's the case, they should be playing football for Kaimuki." Yes, that would make more sense given how small Kaimuki is now. You know how it works; somebody probably knows somebody, and it ended up being Roosevelt. If you didn't know about Anuenue all going to RHS, it is actually a big deal. They get a lot of players thru Anuenue.
I continue to shake my head thinking about Kahuku now. This is lame. This has potential to turn on Kahuku, I think.
@HS Football Fanatic. "Isn't Anuenue School in Palolo? If that's the case, they should be playing football for Kaimuki." Yes, that would make more sense given how small Kaimuki is now. You know how it works; somebody probably knows somebody, and it ended up being Roosevelt. If you didn't know about Anuenue all going to RHS, it is actually a big deal. They get a lot of players thru Anuenue.
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It's not the location of Anuenue to Kaimuki, but more of the neighborhood in which the kids come from. Native Hawaiians kids live in Papakolea. Alot attend Anuenue but would want to play where their relatives play and that's Roosevelt.
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@Markeke. good call - makes sense then.
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@Markeke:
OK; I get that, but still: If Anuenue School is within Kaimuki High's geographic boundaries, then its students should play for Kaimuki High, especially since it needs the players more than does Roosevelt High. Unlike Kamehameha Schools, public high schools shouldn't be using race as a determining factor.
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Whoa....this isn't about race. The OIA has transfer rules. I mean, Mililani, with it Asian demographics, has a large Samoan presences on its team. They chose to go there. I'm sure some Anuenue boys may chose to play at Kaimuki.HS Football Fanatic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:22 pm@Markeke:
OK; I get that, but still: If Anuenue School is within Kaimuki High's geographic boundaries, then its students should play for Kaimuki High, especially since it needs the players more than does Roosevelt High. Unlike Kamehameha Schools, public high schools shouldn't be using race as a determining factor.
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We are new to Hawaii HS Football. Every place we've lived has determined conferences solely by admission numbers in the school, so this is all very different.
Wondering if someone can explain how the movement of teams in OIA Open to D1 works in the offseason. Does OIA D1 champ always move up to Open and the last place Open always move down to D1? The top of D1 is so close this year, but it seems that any one of them would have a really hard time in Open, as Waipahu has this year.
Wondering if someone can explain how the movement of teams in OIA Open to D1 works in the offseason. Does OIA D1 champ always move up to Open and the last place Open always move down to D1? The top of D1 is so close this year, but it seems that any one of them would have a really hard time in Open, as Waipahu has this year.
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@Markeke:Markeke wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:42 pmWhoa....this isn't about race. The OIA has transfer rules. I mean, Mililani, with it Asian demographics, has a large Samoan presences on its team. They chose to go there. I'm sure some Anuenue boys may chose to play at Kaimuki.HS Football Fanatic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 4:22 pm@Markeke:
OK; I get that, but still: If Anuenue School is within Kaimuki High's geographic boundaries, then its students should play for Kaimuki High, especially since it needs the players more than does Roosevelt High. Unlike Kamehameha Schools, public high schools shouldn't be using race as a determining factor.
Well, that was my point: Anuenue School is in Palolo, Palolo is within Kaimuki High's enrollment area. Then, the Anuenue School boys should play at Kaimuki High, especially if some of their boys want to play there.
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@anabo: I think that's how it's supposed to work. In addition, I think that if a school wants to move-up to a higher division, it can, if the OIA approves the move.anabo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 4:41 pm We are new to Hawaii HS Football. Every place we've lived has determined conferences solely by admission numbers in the school, so this is all very different.
Wondering if someone can explain how the movement of teams in OIA Open to D1 works in the offseason. Does OIA D1 champ always move up to Open and the last place Open always move down to D1? The top of D1 is so close this year, but it seems that any one of them would have a really hard time in Open, as Waipahu has this year.
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Eef Kahuku not winning statez, at leese St Lulu not winning, 2. Kahuku going wreck St Lulu o wit dey d-fence.
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Any thoughts about how the rest of the season will go for the OIA D1? The league is very exciting to watch and who knows who’s going to playoffs? It’s so exciting seeing how some teams beat teams that they lose to or vice versa. You never know what will happen. That radford vs leilehua game was insane. Any thoughts on how good radford is doing right now?