2023-2024 Wrestling Season

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Now that we got a final look after the ILH and OIA Championship and some especially interesting endings on the OIA side, what are everyone's current predictions for every weight class on the boys side? Any changes in opinion/predictions?

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that_guy wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:22 am Now that we got a final look after the ILH and OIA Championship and some especially interesting endings on the OIA side, what are everyone's current predictions for every weight class on the boys side? Any changes in opinion/predictions?
Really hoping to see a 113 rematch of Kamaka’ala/Bicoy.

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Excited for the lightweights for sure
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wowzag wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:21 pm
that_guy wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:22 am Now that we got a final look after the ILH and OIA Championship and some especially interesting endings on the OIA side, what are everyone's current predictions for every weight class on the boys side? Any changes in opinion/predictions?
Lightweight brackets are going to be the highlight for me, collectively the brackets got harder as the season went on whilst the menacingly 157 brackets have been dispersed through 50/65

106: Top 3 toughest brackets for sure, multiple guys can upset each other and can make it to the finals and win it. I predict round 3 of Kalaukoa Vs Hotema hopefully Hotema can pull it off this time.
113: Bicoy made his lock to the final likely being the second seed following the loss to Kamakaala, They'll probably rematch after beating Tanaka/Suan in their respective semifinal matches.
120: with Diesel being the likely 1st seed, Kus 2nd, Lau 3rd, Kato 4th. Could be a rematch of their official match and in that order may be the final top 4 placings.
126: Berger most definitely has the lock to final, interested to see how seeding will go, He could match up against Corpuz/Seson/Lanford won't seem too hard for his 2nd-time state title.
132: Very interesting to see how that'll work out Would like to see Esperanza(BAL) face off against Shimabakuro for a rematch of their official semifinal(Ended TB1 5-4) my dark horse pick is if Wang(MOA) is opposite side to BAL he may be able to beat shimabakuro, or the very least give a exciting match as the 2 haven't faced off this year.
A Stephan/Sailele rematch would be a dandy!!!

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that_guy wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:22 am Now that we got a final look after the ILH and OIA Championship and some especially interesting endings on the OIA side, what are everyone's current predictions for every weight class on the boys side? Any changes in opinion/predictions?
Lightweight brackets are going to be the highlight for me, Higher scoring and collectively the brackets got harder as the season went on whilst the menacingly 157 brackets have been dispersed through 50/65

106: one of if not the toughest brackets for sure, multiple guys can upset each other and can make it to the finals and win it. I predict round 3 of Kalaukoa Vs Hotema hopefully Hotema can pull it off this time. the other placements/potential finalist Could be MIL,MOA,STL,LAH,KSK
113: Bicoy made his lock to the final likely being the second seed following the loss to Kamakaala, They'll probably rematch after beating Tanaka/Suan in their respective semifinal matches.
120: with Diesel being the likely 1st seed, Kus 2nd, Lau 3rd, Kato 4th. Could be a rematch of their official match and in that order may be the final top 4 placings.
126: Berger most definitely has the lock to final, interested to see how seeding will go, He could match up against Corpuz/Seson/Lanford won't seem too hard for his 2nd-time state title.
132: Would like to see Esperanza(BAL) face off against Shimabakuro for a rematch of their official semifinal(Ended TB1 5-4) Esperanza made a strong case to win the title running through the gauntlet, beating Wang(MOA), Dominguez(KLN, eventual 6th placer), and as mentioned before shimabakuro(KPO,3rd). dark horse pick is if Wang(MOA) is opposite side to BAL he may be able to beat shimabakuro, or the very least give a exciting match as the 2 haven't faced off this year.
138: Taam might have a harder round 3 against shigemoto, He was gassing out starting 3rd period but that might just be due to taking 20 shots lol but will claim his 3rd title.
144: Mikah Vs Paaluhi in the final, since porter skipped out of officials he may get dropped to even the 4th seed where he could play Labuanan in the semi.

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wowzag wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:37 pm
that_guy wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:22 am Now that we got a final look after the ILH and OIA Championship and some especially interesting endings on the OIA side, what are everyone's current predictions for every weight class on the boys side? Any changes in opinion/predictions?
Lightweight brackets are going to be the highlight for me, Higher scoring and collectively the brackets got harder as the season went on whilst the menacingly 157 brackets have been dispersed through 50/65

106: one of if not the toughest brackets for sure, multiple guys can upset each other and can make it to the finals and win it. I predict round 3 of Kalaukoa Vs Hotema hopefully Hotema can pull it off this time. the other placements/potential finalist Could be MIL,MOA,STL,LAH,KSK
113: Bicoy made his lock to the final likely being the second seed following the loss to Kamakaala, They'll probably rematch after beating Tanaka/Suan in their respective semifinal matches.
120: with Diesel being the likely 1st seed, Kus 2nd, Lau 3rd, Kato 4th. Could be a rematch of their official match and in that order may be the final top 4 placings.
126: Berger most definitely has the lock to final, interested to see how seeding will go, He could match up against Corpuz/Seson/Lanford won't seem too hard for his 2nd-time state title.
132: Would like to see Esperanza(BAL) face off against Shimabakuro for a rematch of their official semifinal(Ended TB1 5-4) Esperanza made a strong case to win the title running through the gauntlet, beating Wang(MOA), Dominguez(KLN, eventual 6th placer), and as mentioned before shimabakuro(KPO,3rd). dark horse pick is if Wang(MOA) is opposite side to BAL he may be able to beat shimabakuro, or the very least give a exciting match as the 2 haven't faced off this year.
138: Taam might have a harder round 3 against shigemoto, He was gassing out starting 3rd period but that might just be due to taking 20 shots lol but will claim his 3rd title.
144: Mikah Vs Paaluhi in the final, since porter skipped out of officials he may get dropped to even the 4th seed where he could play Labuanan in the semi.
Skipping officials has no bearing on state seeding fyi. If anything it helps people because they avoided a possible head to head loss. From what I understand State seeding will be way different this year compared to previous years. For better or worse. I dont see Porter and Labuanan on the same side of the bracket. Most likely paaluhi and porter in semis and maybe mikah vs kai again. I dont see Shigemoto being 4th seed but probably 3rd seed and possibly face 2 seed Mackenzie in semis while Taam will probably face the maui champ who is also a state placer. Im very interested in seeing how this new seeding will workout since league champions are not guaranteed top be top 4 or 5 seed. I think you could see the 1,2, and even 3 from some leagues be the top 3 seeds at states.

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@wowzag - Shimabukuro did wrestle and beat Wang earlier in the year. It was one of his cider matches though. Wang will probably be on there Esperanza side of the bracket though due to true seeding. We'll see though.
@808WrestlingFan - agree with all of those thoughts about 138 and 144.
@brostaff - if Stephen and Sailele wrestle again, it would be number 5 I Believe. It's currently 3-1 with Sailele winning the first one by a point.

I'm personally excited to see how 165 shakes out with none of the favorites being at that weight for Officials.
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talloola25 wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:07 pm @wowzag - Shimabukuro did wrestle and beat Wang earlier in the year. It was one of his cider matches though. Wang will probably be on there Esperanza side of the bracket though due to true seeding. We'll see though.
@808WrestlingFan - agree will ask if those thoughts about 138 and 144.
@brostaff - if Stephen and Sailele wrestle again, it would be number 5 I Believe. It's currently 3-1 with Sailele winning the first one by a point.

I'm personally excited to see how 165 shakes out with none of the favorites being at that weight for Officials.
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808WrestlingFan wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:40 pm
talloola25 wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:07 pm @wowzag - Shimabukuro did wrestle and beat Wang earlier in the year. It was one of his cider matches though. Wang will probably be on there Esperanza side of the bracket though due to true seeding. We'll see though.
@808WrestlingFan - agree will ask if those thoughts about 138 and 144.
@brostaff - if Stephen and Sailele wrestle again, it would be number 5 I Believe. It's currently 3-1 with Sailele winning the first one by a point.

I'm personally excited to see how 165 shakes out with none of the favorites being at that weight for Officials.
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Sorry it was a typo. It was meant to say "agree with all of those thoughts"

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What’s everyone’s thoughts on team championship? KSK and Moanalua the front runners? Does St. louis have a shot? Kalani and Mililani (without Lee and Guevara) had a tight race for 2nd in the oia team scores separated by 1 pt I believe. Could one of them put it together at State? Kapolei could have 3 finalists and potentially 3 state champs so they have an outside shot as well. Campbell has a bunch of studs. Obviously things would need to go sideways for Moanalua and KSK for any other team to have a shot. What do you all think? Clearly im biased towards the OIA but honestly the other leagues dont impress me with their programs.. other than KSK. The other ILH programs especially need a complete overhaul. They have money, resources, and middle school programs and still struggle to compete with the public schools. Just my opinion tho

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what is your guys finals matches for every weight class? heres mine

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bigbreaker808 wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:53 pm what is your guys finals matches for every weight class? heres mine
Just going off of gut feeling here.
106: Colt vs Loughlin
113: Kamakaala vs BJ
120: Diesel Vs Kusumoto
126: Berger Vs Corpuz
132: Ryker vs Randy
138: Tyger vs Shigemoto
144: Mikah vs Paaluhi/porter
150: Kaihi vs Juatyce
157: Xander vs Keegz
165: Nishida Vs Mayhem or Gonzales
175: Tanele vs Tuikolongahau
190: Jackson vs Sampson/McCreedie depending on seeding plays out.
215: Johhny vs Stephan
285: Lauifi vs vehikite

I probably overlooked some people due to how seeding will affect who meets who in semis. Also I know some kids changed weights late in the season.

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Here are my top four seeds in order at each weight and who I think makes finals/wins. These are who I believe will be the top 4 seeds, not necessarily who I think are the 4 best:
106 - Kalaukoa Hotema Loughlin Garcia - Loughlin beats Kalaukoa .... but this weight is crazy. Either of those guys could miss the finals
113 - Kamakaala Bicoy Suan Tanaka - Bicoy beats Kamakaala ... Although is could easily be Suan Kamakaala then Bicoy which would make for Bicoy v Suan in the finals
120 - Del Rosario Kusumoto Lau Dudoit - Kusumoto beats Del Rosario .... but this weight is crazy. Either of those guys could miss the finals
126 - Berger Corpuz Landford Gonda - Berger beats Landford
132 - Esperanza Shimabukuro Tabayoyong Kekauoha - Shimabukuro beats Esperanza
138 - Taam McKenzie Shigemoto Baptista - Taam beats Shigemoto
144 - Labuanan Paaluhi Porter Sekigawa - Labuanan beats Porter
150 - Cobb-Adams Mercado Adric Adinwin - Cobb-Adams beats Mercado
157 - Erolin Goeas Balisacan Passetti - Erolin beats Goeas
165 - Nishida Gonzales(Balisacan) Hasegawa Woolsey - Woolsey beats Gonzales
175 - Tuikolongahau Tanele Dela Cruz Moxley - Tuikolongahau beats Tanele
190 - Jackson Edwards Harbottle McCreadie - Jackson beats Edwards
215 - Stephan Sailele Mata'afa-Grove Miller - Stephen beats Sailele
285 - Lauifi Vehikite Peau Catrett - Lauifi beats Vehikite

If those are the top 4 in each weight(probably not) and they hold seeds, here's how the team race kind of looks. Number of placers just looking at top 4.
KSK - 8, StL - 7, BAL - 4, WAN - 4, MOA - 3, Mililani - 3, KPO - 3, CAM - 3. Looks like KSK should do it. I think past those 8 guys are more than can place. I don't think StL has more than those 7. In fact I think MOA will finish runner-up due to the quality of the non-top 4 seeded guys.

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808WrestlingFan wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:15 am What’s everyone’s thoughts on team championship? KSK and Moanalua the front runners? Does St. louis have a shot? Kalani and Mililani (without Lee and Guevara) had a tight race for 2nd in the oia team scores separated by 1 pt I believe. Could one of them put it together at State? Kapolei could have 3 finalists and potentially 3 state champs so they have an outside shot as well. Campbell has a bunch of studs. Obviously things would need to go sideways for Moanalua and KSK for any other team to have a shot. What do you all think? Clearly im biased towards the OIA but honestly the other leagues dont impress me with their programs.. other than KSK. The other ILH programs especially need a complete overhaul. They have money, resources, and middle school programs and still struggle to compete with the public schools. Just my opinion tho
@808WrestlingFan:

1. Actually, not all ILH schools have money. I think the only ones that really do are Kamehameha, Punahou and Iolani. Kamehameha is one of the richest schools in the nation, while Punahou and Iolani feed off alumni financial support (Punahou, especially.)
2. In the end, you can't beat talent. Kamehameha is strong in wrestling because they have the talent, not because the school is rich. Punahou and Iolani happen to have less talent. Note: In the late-'70s, Iolani was dominant in wrestling, because they had the talent back then.
3. In football, Kahuku--an OIA school--showed the ILH what football is about. In boys' soccer, Mililani--another OIA school--showed the ILH what soccer is about.
4. I like Kamehameha Schools, but in the end, it's which school has the best/most talent.

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HS Football Fanatic wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:51 am
808WrestlingFan wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:15 am What’s everyone’s thoughts on team championship? KSK and Moanalua the front runners? Does St. louis have a shot? Kalani and Mililani (without Lee and Guevara) had a tight race for 2nd in the oia team scores separated by 1 pt I believe. Could one of them put it together at State? Kapolei could have 3 finalists and potentially 3 state champs so they have an outside shot as well. Campbell has a bunch of studs. Obviously things would need to go sideways for Moanalua and KSK for any other team to have a shot. What do you all think? Clearly im biased towards the OIA but honestly the other leagues dont impress me with their programs.. other than KSK. The other ILH programs especially need a complete overhaul. They have money, resources, and middle school programs and still struggle to compete with the public schools. Just my opinion tho
@808WrestlingFan:

1. Actually, not all ILH schools have money. I think the only ones that really do are Kamehameha, Punahou and Iolani. Kamehameha is one of the richest schools in the nation, while Punahou and Iolani feed off alumni financial support (Punahou, especially.)
2. In the end, you can't beat talent. Kamehameha is strong in wrestling because they have the talent, not because the school is rich. Punahou and Iolani happen to have less talent. Note: In the late-'70s, Iolani was dominant in wrestling, because they had the talent back then.
3. In football, Kahuku--an OIA school--showed the ILH what football is about. In boys' soccer, Mililani--another OIA school--showed the ILH what soccer is about.
4. I like Kamehameha Schools, but in the end, it's which school has the best/most talent.
For wrestling specifically, I dont agree that Kamehameha has more talent than the other ILH schools. They apparently have a better feeder program in their middle school (which might lead kids to choose Kamehameha over other ilh schools). When those kids get to high school they are varsity ready and deep at each weight. Kamehameha usually has a couple kids who I would label as “talented” as do most other schools. The thing Kamehameha does better is getting all of their kids fundamentally sound as well as strong and in good wrestling conditioning. Most if not all IlH programs have that same opportunity but dont seem to take advantage of having a solid middle school program. OIA teams do not for the most part have a feeder program for wrestling so oia coaches get what they get and have to develop from scratch 80-90% of the time. The point im really trying to make is these ILH schools that have middle school programs really need to step it up lol.

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