*** Official New HC Timmy Chang Thread ***

[poidog]

The TG era will undoubtedly be seen through different lenses and with different perspectives. The great majority of us fans will be left with less than complete information - and filling in the blanks might say more about our own biases than any comprehensive accounting of the truth. The one thing I can feel solid about is the inappropriateness of the legislature publicly grandstanding when all could have been handled more subtlety. This was damaging to the program, publicly shaming of TG, and certainly would have provided ammo to our recruiting rivals. I have hope for the future of UH football but a realistic caution about expecting too much in these first years. I think we all need to move on - but it pokes at us a bit when a major TG recruit like Shrager drops hints about then and now. It just stirs it all up again when it probably would be best to let it all go.

What harm did it do to the program? Not more harm than all the starters who transferred out because of Graham. It got TG out the door without a buyout. The hearing was a success.

I find that sometimes there is extra emphasis on things that bring perceived shame and not enough emphasis on things that have measurable consequences. People have quickly forgotten how much of a disappointment the 2021 season was, even before the mass exodus of players. People who don't believe that there were problems off the field weren't paying attention to what was going on on the field. The roster was loaded with talent and grossly underperformed. One more year of that with even less talent would have done major damage to the program for years to come.

The damage done by the Senate committee quickly washed away with the next news cycle. Shame is temporary, and self-shame only lasts as long as you choose to hold onto it The damage that would have been done by one more year of todd and bo would have been much worse, as no one wants to watch a team that isn't fun to watch. We should be thanking the committee for being the bad guy and inducing change.

[SundayJam]

Being a moderator doesn’t mean I can’t post comments, take part in discussions or have opinions.

It's hard being physically close to the program and not being extra frustrated by what's gone on for the past two years... and then come on here and debate others who are further away and have a different "perspective". And you can't even reference some of what we hear or we'll get accused of spreading fake news or for perpetuating the "coconut wireless". Ultimately, the gross rationalization of TG's problems was too much for me and I had to step out of the conversation for a while.

With that said, I have heard that at least some of the influential people who were pushing for JJ to get the job have been very impressed by TC thus far and are very supportive of him. What impressed them most is the plans he has laid out for them in terms of building his staff, recruiting, and managing the challenges AND ADVANTAGES of being at UH, as well as his grasp of "fit" and the importance of culture.

Culture seems to be of importance to TC, just as it is important to players, both current and former. Even players who played for Tomey believe this. That's why I cannot comprehend those who rationalize TG's approach to team culture. Even prior to his hire, if you say anything about the candidates needing to have ties to the program, people come out with the pitchforks and accuse you of being small-minded. The path to coaching successfully at UH is different from every other school. You can be in denial of that, or you can accept reality and lean into it. TC is leaning all the way in, and that's a good thing.

Dude. Just...dude.

The two of you are awesome contributors. Let's just not get caught up in the propaganda of TG was bad and TC is good. I don't get it. That's it. Messaging can be misconstrued on this forum. Maybe I misunderstood and the two of you also. Rolovich suffered a 3-9 season at Hawaii in his first two years. His first two years were much worse than Graham's. With the early departure of Rolovich and his staff--and the advent of covid, Graham's first two years were destined to mediocrity. Still, he shined in the win over Houston....and in beating other ranked teams.

I'm just not gonna hate on Graham. That's it.

I am hopeful for Hawaii football.

[uhwarriors]

https://twitter.com/RobDeMelloKHON/status/1511938653739646977

[uhwarriors]

TC having the local players "adopt" the mainland players to build a stronger Braddahhood. This is something he learned from June Jones. Rolovich did the same thing.

https://twitter.com/CoachTimmyChang/status/1517684862597013504

[BigWave96744]

Want hear the info. About his contract.

• Four-year contract with a fifth-year trigger if the team reaches a bowl game in either 2022 or 2023.

BASE SALARY
• $500,010 in 2022
• $600,006 in 2023
• $700,008 in 2024
• $750,006 in 2025
• $800,004 in 2026 if he were to unlock the fifth year in the original contract.

JOB SEPARATION
If he were to take a job at another school he would owe
• $900,000 after the first year
• $700,000 in the second year
• $450,000 in the third year
• $300,000 in the fourth and fifth years

If he were to be fired without cause for by the university, he would be owed
• $400,000 per remaining year on his contract and $250,000 if were to be fired prior to the fifth year of his original deal.

PERFORMANCE INCENTIVES
• $50,000 if the team wins the Mountain West’s West division and plays in the conference championship game.
• $100,000 if the team wins the conference championship
• $10,000 if the team is bowl eligible (as defined by NCAA rules)
• $20,000 if the team participates in a bowl game
• $40,000 if the team wins a bowl game
• $300,000 if the team participates in a non-playoff New Year’s Six bowl game and $500,000 if the team wins said bowl game
• $750,000 if the team makes the College Football Playoff
• $850,000 if the team wins a College Football Playoff game
• $1,000,000 if the team wins the national championship
• $20,000 if he is named conference coach of the year
• $80,000 if he is named coach of the year by any of these organizations or media outlets: Eddie Robinson, Sporting News, Walter Camp, Bobby Dodd, Woody Hayes, Paul “Bear” Bryant, George Munger, Home Depot, AP, American Football Coaches Association (AFCA).
• $40,000 if the team has an APR (Academic Progress Rate) of 980 or higher.
• $7,500 if the team wins a home game against a Power Five team.
• $10,000 if the team wins a neutral site game against a Power Five team.
• $12,500 if the team wins a road game against a Power Five team.
• $10,000 for reaching eight wins.
• $10,000 for reaching nine wins.
• $10,000 for reaching ten wins.

MISC
• $15,000 to assist with relocation fees
• Will also receive a courtesy car and paid family travel for two family members for every road, neutral site or bowl game if funds from the UH foundation are available. He will also receive 24 tickets for home games and 12 for away games, as well as six season tickets to UH-Manoa’s other sports programs.

https://www.khon2.com/sports/new-hawaii ... -released/

[BigWave96744]

2023 Attainable Incentives:
□ Four-year contract with a fifth-year trigger if the team reaches a bowl game in either 2022 or 2023.
□ • $50,000 if the team wins the Mountain West’s West division and plays in the conference championship game.
□ • $100,000 if the team wins the conference championship
□ • $10,000 if the team is bowl eligible (as defined by NCAA rules, ie 7 games minimum)
□ • $20,000 if the team participates in a bowl game
□ • $40,000 if the team wins a bowl game
□ • $20,000 if he is named conference coach of the year
□ • $40,000 if the team has an APR (Academic Progress Rate) of 980 or higher
□ • $10,000 for reaching eight wins.
□ • $10,000 for reaching nine wins.
□ • $10,000 for reaching ten wins.

Not Attainable
• $300,000 if the team participates in a non-playoff New Year’s Six bowl game and $500,000 if the team wins said bowl game
• $750,000 if the team makes the College Football Playoff
• $850,000 if the team wins a College Football Playoff game
• $1,000,000 if the team wins the national championship
• $80,000 if he is named coach of the year by any of these organizations or media outlets: Eddie Robinson, Sporting News, Walter Camp, Bobby Dodd, Woody Hayes, Paul “Bear” Bryant, George Munger, Home Depot, AP, American Football Coaches Association (AFCA).

• $7,500 if the team wins a home game against a Power Five team (Lost to Stanford)
• $10,000 if the team wins a neutral site game against a Power Five team. (N/A)
• $12,500 if the team wins a road game against a Power Five team. (Lost at Vandy & Oregon)

[BigWave96744]

College football second-year coach grades: Kalen DeBoer earns 'A+' mark, Billy Napier gets 'D'
By Tom Fornelli


Patience is a virtue in short supply these days. College football coaches were once afforded time to establish their programs, but in NIL and the transfer portal era, coaches are asked to get the job done much quicker. Coaches used to have at least three seasons on the job before reaching a final conclusion. Now, if you haven't shown significant progress by the end of Year 2, you're either cut loose or on a short leash heading into Year 3.

See below at where TC ranks among coaches heading into year 3
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... er-gets-d/