2024-2025 Wrestling

[FlyingSquirrel808]

P4P debate ... sure Iʻll give my two cents. I will start by looking at Officialʻs Champs, then look at records(including outside of weightclass..P4P), Dominance, then look at strength of weight class, then past accolades.... Others that should have consideration.
Champs first - Hotema, Woode, Kamakaala, Corpuz, Chang, Tauyan, Taam, Labuanan, Takitani, Goeas, Buelow, Maira, Burton, Peau
Undefeated - Woode, Kamakaala, Taam, Labuanan, Takitani, Goeas, Buelow, Maira, Burton, Peau, Chang
Dominance - Maira, Woode, Labuanan, Chang, Taam, Corpuz, Peau, Goeas, Burton, Buelow, Takitani
Strength of weight/opponents(ranking from highest to lowest) - Kamakaala, Taam, Woode, Peau, Goeas, Burton, Tauyan, Hotema, Maira, Labuanan, Takitani, Corpuz, Chang*(might be the highest in strength of opponent, but Berger is hurt rn)
Accolades(ranking from highest to lowest) - Woode*(only AA on the list), Labuanan, Taam, Goeas, Kamakaala, Maira, Hotema, Buelow, Peau, Takitani
Others - Berger: Defending state champ and undefeated except inj def to Chang, defending state champ, wins over multiple past placers, and dominant in wins. Passetti: lost a close one to Goeas and dominated the rest(lost due to illegal slam against inferior opponent),
My list using that information: 1. Taam 2. Labuanan 3. Berger 4. Kamakaala 5. Woode 6. Goeas 7. Maira 8. Chang 9. Buelow 10. Burton
I do value past accomplishments and think theyʻre necessary in differentiating them over time since we have such a limited sample size of matches in Hawaii. I donʻt hold. being a 1st year Varsity competitor against them either. Iʻm sure I missed some things here(please point them out), but itʻs a good place for now.
Taam ended up getting the top spot due to Strength of opponents, dominance(just beat Shigemoto 17-2), and past accomplishments just being overall better than the rest. I donʻt think anyone can catch him because of those metrics though unless he loses.

Can’t disagree with your final list. But a couple stat things on the “undefeated” part of your analysis. Peau lost twice on the same day (I believe it was at the Kaiser round robin). Also, I believe Hotema is undefeated on the season (with the exception of the loss to Kalaukoa at the “Who’s Next” tournament, but I believe that’s an unofficial tournament that doesn’t get taken into consideration for the high school season).

[talloola25]

P4P debate ... sure Iʻll give my two cents. I will start by looking at Officialʻs Champs, then look at records(including outside of weightclass..P4P), Dominance, then look at strength of weight class, then past accolades.... Others that should have consideration.
Champs first - Hotema, Woode, Kamakaala, Corpuz, Chang, Tauyan, Taam, Labuanan, Takitani, Goeas, Buelow, Maira, Burton, Peau
Undefeated - Woode, Kamakaala, Taam, Labuanan, Takitani, Goeas, Buelow, Maira, Burton, Peau, Chang
Dominance - Maira, Woode, Labuanan, Chang, Taam, Corpuz, Peau, Goeas, Burton, Buelow, Takitani
Strength of weight/opponents(ranking from highest to lowest) - Kamakaala, Taam, Woode, Peau, Goeas, Burton, Tauyan, Hotema, Maira, Labuanan, Takitani, Corpuz, Chang*(might be the highest in strength of opponent, but Berger is hurt rn)
Accolades(ranking from highest to lowest) - Woode*(only AA on the list), Labuanan, Taam, Goeas, Kamakaala, Maira, Hotema, Buelow, Peau, Takitani
Others - Berger: Defending state champ and undefeated except inj def to Chang, defending state champ, wins over multiple past placers, and dominant in wins. Passetti: lost a close one to Goeas and dominated the rest(lost due to illegal slam against inferior opponent),
My list using that information: 1. Taam 2. Labuanan 3. Berger 4. Kamakaala 5. Woode 6. Goeas 7. Maira 8. Chang 9. Buelow 10. Burton
I do value past accomplishments and think theyʻre necessary in differentiating them over time since we have such a limited sample size of matches in Hawaii. I donʻt hold. being a 1st year Varsity competitor against them either. Iʻm sure I missed some things here(please point them out), but itʻs a good place for now.
Taam ended up getting the top spot due to Strength of opponents, dominance(just beat Shigemoto 17-2), and past accomplishments just being overall better than the rest. I donʻt think anyone can catch him because of those metrics though unless he loses.

Can’t disagree with your final list. But a couple stat things on the “undefeated” part of your analysis. Peau lost twice on the same day (I believe it was at the Kaiser round robin). Also, I believe Hotema is undefeated on the season (with the exception of the loss to Kalaukoa at the “Who’s Next” tournament, but I believe that’s an unofficial tournament that doesn’t get taken into consideration for the high school season).

Thank you! Edited my post. Still left Hotema off the undefeated list though.

[Samesame]

Glad we got the P4P conversation started. I don't think anyone can argue with the top 3, although I would say based on total accolades, I would put Labuanan and Taam above Goeas (3x state champs vs 1x). I'd also argue that while Passetti is a great wrestler, he wouldn't beat either Goeas at 165 or even Buelow at 175, so not sure how he could qualify for a P4P list. I'd also say that Corpuz, while he won Officials, wasn't the most dominant in a pretty empty 126 field without Landford, nor does he have many prior placements to hang his hat on. I'd move those 2 off the list and definitely add Hotema and either Chang or Tauyan. While the Chang/Berger match didn't play out the way we wanted, the score was 0-0 when Berger got hurt, so it's tough to say who the better wrestler is at this point. Both are incredible, and could make a case to have both on the list later this season. Hotema has to be on the list based on pure dominance of 106. 2 pins, a tech, and an injury default (as he was on the way to at least a major). He was the highest team point scorer of the tournament, and actually fits the criteria for "Pound For Pound" as he's wrestled up to 113 and even 120 this season and remains undefeated (including a dominant pin over 120 pound placer Khairyn Vilavong a few weeks ago). Finally, although it was a 7-7 match before catching Torres in the finals with that standing cradle, Tauyan looks like the real deal with that pin. He also dominated his way throughout the rest of the competition. Looking forward to seeing this list evolve over the course of the next 2 months!

I have a less popular opinion about the top 10. I’ve mentioned it last year but if I could at least be heard out. I mentioned last year that the top 10 should start off as a clean slate and past accolades shouldn’t be the criteria for which the rankings are based. Of course you’d use past accomplishments for a preseason top 10 where no one has wrestled yet. If we’re going to be using past resumes, the list should only be 5 people. Because no one else would have a theoretical chance at winning the top 10 title. Hotema, Maira, Woode to name a few, won’t have the accolades to win it. You can’t possibly win it as a freshman, unless all previous state champions were seniors. Squirrel had a great response for Hotema. After listening to how well he’s performed so far, he probably should be considered at the top spot or very close to it.
He won’t be because of the mystique of the returning champions. 2 years ago at the official’s tournament, Kimura beat Labuanon and Shields pinned Pagurayan. When the rankings came out, both Labuanon and Pagarayan were ahead of the guys that beat them. I thought that’s such a travesty. Even though I felt both would and did exact their revenge, they met on the mat and were beaten. It shouldve been reflected in the rankings fairly. I feel everyone should have to prove themselves every year. Especially, if they moved up a weight class. I also feel that a wrestler can make huge strides in the offseason. A good example would be Corpuz, I don’t know his experience level but he may have started wrestling as a freshman. It’s huge for him to win the officials tournament. Even though it’s quite empty. La Grande was at this tournament. If those coaches watched all the matches and championships, I’m curious what their top 10 would be.
Skillset. Interestingly, I attended a mainland tournament and when they announced the MVP’s of the tournament, it was divided into thirds. Lower, middle, and heavyweights. They said the skillset is so lopsided when comparing lower to heavyweights, the lower weights will win every time. Mainland point of view, tournament had over 60 teams.
Dominance. I think the overall point getter does show dominance. In this case Hotema. If we’re talking P4P, I feel you should be undefeated. And only undefeated wrestlers should be on the list. Not sure I can buy the argument that a certain wrestler is better then the others at their weight class but yet gets beaten by someone in their own weight class.

Like what you did here. Clean Slate??? Bias fans are going to go nutts. Well yes, if we are doing it just based off the season, going off of what everyone posted. Especially Talloola25 info with undefeated, strength of schedule and Dominance.

1T. Taam
1T. Woode
1T. Labuanan
4. Kamakaala
5T. Maira
5T. Hotema
7. Goes
8. Berger (INJ)
9. Burton
10. Beulow

HM: Chang, Tauyan

This can change weekly based off performance.

[GrowWomansWrestling]

Just wanted to give the girls pfp a try...

1. Jax Realin(Kam): Pretty self explanatory...She's been dominant since freshman year with only one loss. She proved herself by beating some of the best state champs (Uyemura, Woolsey, Kalamau)

2. Zaira Sugui(Moa): One of the most impressive wrestlers in my opinion especially because shes also is a star in flag football. She has lots of big wins including Lee Tynan and Miguel. Also won freakshow this year.

3. Tatiana Paragas (Pun): She doesn't have the same stats as Realin and Sugui but for the past 3 years shes always been up there. I honestly think she would've been going for her third state title if she had a good day during the previous state tournaments. Her technique and transitions are smooth.

4. Jahlia Miguel(Bald): 2x fargo all american, beat state champ Kukonu in finals last season and has been pinning her way through this season in a heavier weight class. Her loss to Sugui keeps her at 5th.

5. Kaloni Brown(Hilo): Just amazing especially as a freshman. She went down a weight class and pinned the other freshman phenom Wakinekona in a back and forth match. She could arguably be higher on the list, but she has many more years to be up there.

6T. Teata Mataafa Grove(Baldwin): 40-2 record with big wins, especially win over previously undefeated Luafalemana Haney. Also got triple crown in Westerns. Her losses to Uyemura keeps her at 6th.

6T. Chloe Obuhanych(PC): Now thats shes healthy this season, she's been looking real sharp. Also teched state champ Ramos 10-0 earlier in freestyle in a club tournament.

8. Zoe Ahue Bolosan(Lei): Showed everyone that she owns her weight class and even went on to pin a tough mainland girl at Paani.

9. Sanairee Hasegawa(Baldwin): Shes had some of the toughest opponents out there and came close to being a state champ as a freshman. Has wins over big names like Boaz Vasquez, Fernandez, Paragas, Ladore, Diamond, Joy, Olkowski. Her not so close loses to Nishida and Realin puts her at 9th.

10. Auriana Wakinekona(Kam): Though she lost to Brown she still an outstanding wrestler who dominated Cabinian and Lavarias. Placed 3rd in woman's nationals. Her movement and technique outperforms champs in other weight classes in my opinion.

Theres also a lot of big wrestlers who have been out(Uyemura, Nishida, Hokoana, Ramos)

So much good wrestlers made it hard to decide!

[OIAwrestling]

P4P debate ... sure Iʻll give my two cents. I will start by looking at Officialʻs Champs, then look at records(including outside of weightclass..P4P), Dominance, then look at strength of weight class, then past accolades.... Others that should have consideration.
Champs first - Hotema, Woode, Kamakaala, Corpuz, Chang, Tauyan, Taam, Labuanan, Takitani, Goeas, Buelow, Maira, Burton, Peau
Undefeated - Woode, Kamakaala, Taam, Labuanan, Takitani, Goeas, Buelow, Maira, Burton, Peau, Chang
Dominance - Maira, Woode, Labuanan, Chang, Taam, Corpuz, Peau, Goeas, Burton, Buelow, Takitani
Strength of weight/opponents(ranking from highest to lowest) - Kamakaala, Taam, Woode, Peau, Goeas, Burton, Tauyan, Hotema, Maira, Labuanan, Takitani, Corpuz, Chang*(might be the highest in strength of opponent, but Berger is hurt rn)
Accolades(ranking from highest to lowest) - Woode*(only AA on the list), Labuanan, Taam, Goeas, Kamakaala, Maira, Hotema, Buelow, Peau, Takitani
Others - Berger: Defending state champ and undefeated except inj def to Chang, defending state champ, wins over multiple past placers, and dominant in wins. Passetti: lost a close one to Goeas and dominated the rest(lost due to illegal slam against inferior opponent),
My list using that information: 1. Taam 2. Labuanan 3. Berger 4. Kamakaala 5. Woode 6. Goeas 7. Maira 8. Chang 9. Buelow 10. Burton
I do value past accomplishments and think theyʻre necessary in differentiating them over time since we have such a limited sample size of matches in Hawaii. I donʻt hold. being a 1st year Varsity competitor against them either. Iʻm sure I missed some things here(please point them out), but itʻs a good place for now.
Taam ended up getting the top spot due to Strength of opponents, dominance(just beat Shigemoto 17-2), and past accomplishments just being overall better than the rest. I donʻt think anyone can catch him because of those metrics though unless he loses.

Can’t disagree with your final list. But a couple stat things on the “undefeated” part of your analysis. Peau lost twice on the same day (I believe it was at the Kaiser round robin). Also, I believe Hotema is undefeated on the season (with the exception of the loss to Kalaukoa at the “Who’s Next” tournament, but I believe that’s an unofficial tournament that doesn’t get taken into consideration for the high school season).

Thank you! Edited my post. Still left Hotema off the undefeated list though.

I kind of agree with squirrel that the Who’s Next tournament probably shouldn’t count against your undefeated record. I believe it’s in the pre-preseason part of the season. Kind of like a late scramble. I think they do pairings more than official weight classes. Whereas, the Moanalua duals aren’t official counted on your record, but it’s during the season and uses official weight classes. Including a one pound allowance for the second day. I would count that for and against your record.

[talloola25]

Just wanted to give the girls pfp a try...

1. Jax Realin(Kam): Pretty self explanatory...She's been dominant since freshman year with only one loss. She proved herself by beating some of the best state champs (Uyemura, Woolsey, Kalamau)

2. Zaira Sugui(Moa): One of the most impressive wrestlers in my opinion especially because shes also is a star in flag football. She has lots of big wins including Lee Tynan and Miguel. Also won freakshow this year.

3. Tatiana Paragas (Pun): She doesn't have the same stats as Realin and Sugui but for the past 3 years shes always been up there. I honestly think she would've been going for her third state title if she had a good day during the previous state tournaments. Her technique and transitions are smooth.

4. Jahlia Miguel(Bald): 2x fargo all american, beat state champ Kukonu in finals last season and has been pinning her way through this season in a heavier weight class. Her loss to Sugui keeps her at 5th.

5. Kaloni Brown(Hilo): Just amazing especially as a freshman. She went down a weight class and pinned the other freshman phenom Wakinekona in a back and forth match. She could arguably be higher on the list, but she has many more years to be up there.

6T. Teata Mataafa Grove(Baldwin): 40-2 record with big wins, especially win over previously undefeated Luafalemana Haney. Also got triple crown in Westerns. Her losses to Uyemura keeps her at 6th.

6T. Chloe Obuhanych(PC): Now thats shes healthy this season, she's been looking real sharp. Also teched state champ Ramos 10-0 earlier in freestyle in a club tournament.

8. Zoe Ahue Bolosan(Lei): Showed everyone that she owns her weight class and even went on to pin a tough mainland girl at Paani.

9. Sanairee Hasegawa(Baldwin): Shes had some of the toughest opponents out there and came close to being a state champ as a freshman. Has wins over big names like Boaz Vasquez, Fernandez, Paragas, Ladore, Diamond, Joy, Olkowski. Her not so close loses to Nishida and Realin puts her at 9th.

10. Auriana Wakinekona(Kam): Though she lost to Brown she still an outstanding wrestler who dominated Cabinian and Lavarias. Placed 3rd in woman's nationals. Her movement and technique outperforms champs in other weight classes in my opinion.

Theres also a lot of big wrestlers who have been out(Uyemura, Nishida, Hokoana, Ramos)

So much good wrestlers made it hard to decide!

Pretty good list tbh. But always need to mess with things where possible lol.
1 and 2 are good to go.
I think 3 and 4 should be switched. Miguel has dominated thus far, is a defending state champ and unlike everyone else on the list is an AA at Fargo.
Kaloni Brown has had an incredible second freshman season and holds some of the best wins of the year so far, but I think Yogi(PC) has the better win(defending state champ and Fargo AA) so far and has looked unflappable thus far. Probably would have won state last year except for the injury. Hasegawa I believe has better wins than the next three and has been impressive so far.
Ahu-Bolosan goes ahead of Obuhanych and Mataafa-Grove due to defending state champ. She has been much more consistent this season and rankings should reflect that.
1-Jax 2-Sugui 3-Miguel 4-Paragas 5-Yogi 6-Brown 7-Hasegawa 8-Ahue-Bolosan 9/10-Obuhanych/Mataʻafa-Grove.
HM - Wakinekona is a beast and is still my pick to win at the end of the year. Ramos - Has wins over people on this list. Nishida - same as Ramos. Any word on Uyemura? Iʻve at least seen the others but I havenʻt seen her at anything yet. Even as a spectator.

[OIAwrestling]

Definitely nice lists with analysis. @Talloola, can you clarify Browns second freshman season? Is it that she was 8th grade at Pa’ani last year or did she repeat her freshman year for something like academics? Does she still have 4 years of eligibility?

Yogi is definitely looking sharp. She also has a nice win over Zeller this year. Last year, she had to deal with a shoulder injury that hurt her chances at states. Unfortunately, injuries are a part of our sport. Daoang injured her shoulder in the preseason last year, and it hurt her chances at states also. I feel if both were healthy, Daoang pins Yogi for the 20th time and wins states. Daoangs injury must be more severe as she isn’t wrestling this year.

I’ve seen Uyemura at a couple tournaments. Not talking bad but she looks heavy compared to last years weight. She looks to be about Suguis weight class. Seeing her again, she doesn’t look like she’s descending, must be injured.

Ramos may be injured or descending as she only wrestled in one tournament. But at that tournament, she almost tech’ed Zeller.

Nishida is probably injured. Hope these girls make a speedy recovery as they’re champions and should be on these lists.

Lastly, I have no problem with anyone using legacy to determine P4P. But if you do, there’s only one choice, Jax. No need for a top 10 list or debate, she already won it. I feel a legacy resume should be used if comparing her to other multi year champions. So I’m making an original top 10 list for fun. If I had to put $1000 on one girl to win states, who would I put it on? Then decrease the amount by $100 for each pick following the first.

1. Jax Realin. For all reasons stated previously. Other girls don’t want to be in her weight class if they seriously want to win a state title.
2. Zaira Sugui. Same as Jax. Esera went down and Miguel went up a weight class to avoid 155.
3. Kaloni Brown. Should be able to win it at multiple weight classes.
4. Yasumura pinned her biggest competition in Esera. I see her beating Uyemura if she should go to 145.
5. Miguel. No competition for her at 170. But there’s a chance Sugui goes to 170 as they insert Kukonu into the lineup. I believe Sugui was at 170 to start the season. Then Miguel doesn’t win states.
6. Mataafa. Seems to have the upper hand on Kalia(Far), easier to type. I don’t think anyone else goes to her weight class.
7. Wakinekona. Seems to have 110 locked up unless Brown stays at 110.
8. Yogi seems to have 100 locked up unless Ramos drops to 100. I believe Ramos wins at 100.
9. Ramos. Hasn’t wrestled much. Hurt? What weight class is she going? If she repeats at 105, there’s a healthy Obahunych. It’s a toss up to me, who wins.
10. Bolosan. This one is scary as we all know one mistake can cost them the match. And the heavyweights are stacked this year. But she’s on top for now.

[bigbreaker808]

Can we get an early states finals matchups for every weight?

[FlyingSquirrel808]

Can we get an early states finals matchups for every weight?

I'm willing to bet there's a lot of rematches from Official's, at least on the boys side. There are a few that didn't wrestle Official's that I could see in the finals. However, after this coming weekend will be a little more telling, now that the 2 pound allowance has come. We'll have a chance to see who is using it to drop to a lower weight class. But for shits and giggles, here's who I could see in the finals (with my pick of winners listed first):

106: Hotema (KLN) vs Loughlin (MIL)
113: Woode (NAN) vs Thai (PC)
120: Kamaka'ala (KAH) vs Bicoy (PC)
126: Landford (KSK, if he even wrestles) vs Corpuz (MOA)
132: Berger (STL) vs Chang (KSK)
138: Tauyan (LEI) vs Torres (KLN)
144: Taam (MOA) vs Shigemoto (MIL)
150: Labuanan (KSM) vs Paaluhi (KSK, if healthy)
157: Machida (IOL) vs Takitani (BAL)
165: Goeas (CAS) vs Passetti (MAU)
175: Buelow (PUN) vs Nishida (KSK)
190: Maira (KON) vs McCreadie (KAS)
215: Burton (CAS) vs Kaumavae (MOA)
285: Peau (WAN) vs Takafua (BAL)

Team: Kamehameha (if all those guys are healthy and can wrestle), Moanalua, Kalani

[anabo]

Question based on the last comment - Can they can wrestle at a lower weight with the growth allowance even if they've never weighed in at the actual weight?
I.e. a kid could weigh in now at 167 and wrestle 165 even if he never wrestled 165 earlier in the season?

Our last state they had to have weighed in at a tournament, prior to January 1st, at the actual weight, i.e. 165, to be allowed to use the growth allowance.

[talloola25]

Question based on the last comment - Can they can wrestle at a lower weight with the growth allowance even if they've never weighed in at the actual weight?
I.e. a kid could weigh in now at 167 and wrestle 165 even if he never wrestled 165 earlier in the season?

Our last state they had to have weighed in at a tournament, prior to January 1st, at the actual weight, i.e. 165, to be allowed to use the growth allowance.

The answer is, if they are eligible for the weight via the weight descent plan then they can. There is no certification for a weight. If it says they are eligible for 165, they will only have to make 167 to be able to compete in it. If they are following their plan then there is no reason to "certify" if anything the eligible right range for an eligible weight.

Also, I think a finalist that may be different than the ones listed could be Suan(StL) v Landlord (KSK)

[OIAwrestling]

Question based on the last comment - Can they can wrestle at a lower weight with the growth allowance even if they've never weighed in at the actual weight?
I.e. a kid could weigh in now at 167 and wrestle 165 even if he never wrestled 165 earlier in the season?

Our last state they had to have weighed in at a tournament, prior to January 1st, at the actual weight, i.e. 165, to be allowed to use the growth allowance.

The answer is, if they are eligible for the weight via the weight descent plan then they can. There is no certification for a weight. If it says they are eligible for 165, they will only have to make 167 to be able to compete in it. If they are following their plan then there is no reason to "certify" if anything the eligible right range for an eligible weight.

Also, I think a finalist that may be different than the ones listed could be Suan(StL) v Landlord (KSK)

I believe this issue was voted on and passed unanimously. I’m just wondering why it’s there in the first place. It’s a growth allowance but you don’t need to make the scratch weight. Just give them the allowance from the beginning. Make 165, 167. We all know someone that’s just waiting for the allowance, so they can drop. I believe most of the frontrunners are set. At least the result for officials and states would be more comparable.

[OIAwrestling]

Can we get an early states finals matchups for every weight?

I'm willing to bet there's a lot of rematches from Official's, at least on the boys side. There are a few that didn't wrestle Official's that I could see in the finals. However, after this coming weekend will be a little more telling, now that the 2 pound allowance has come. We'll have a chance to see who is using it to drop to a lower weight class. But for shits and giggles, here's who I could see in the finals (with my pick of winners listed first):

106: Hotema (KLN) vs Loughlin (MIL)
113: Woode (NAN) vs Thai (PC)
120: Kamaka'ala (KAH) vs Bicoy (PC)
126: Landford (KSK, if he even wrestles) vs Corpuz (MOA)
132: Berger (STL) vs Chang (KSK)
138: Tauyan (LEI) vs Torres (KLN)
144: Taam (MOA) vs Shigemoto (MIL)
150: Labuanan (KSM) vs Paaluhi (KSK, if healthy)
157: Machida (IOL) vs Takitani (BAL)
165: Goeas (CAS) vs Passetti (MAU)
175: Buelow (PUN) vs Nishida (KSK)
190: Maira (KON) vs McCreadie (KAS)
215: Burton (CAS) vs Kaumavae (MOA)
285: Peau (WAN) vs Takafua (BAL)

Team: Kamehameha (if all those guys are healthy and can wrestle), Moanalua, Kalani

Nice list. Any update on Berger’s injury?

[FlyingSquirrel808]

Any interesting matches from this past weekend's tournaments?

[talloola25]

Any interesting matches from this past weekend's tournaments?

Not sure about matches, but Landlord(KSK) at 126 and Uyemura(PC) at 140 both competed.