*** Official New HC Timmy Chang Thread ***

[wailukuwarriorfan]

TC should have never let others know that if Angelos is fired he will resign. 3 years, 3 losing seasons has no leverage with those who matter. Especially if directed at Lois. Not good, not wise

I would agree if he stood by himself with his position. But he stands with Charlie on this. He and Charlie together makes the decision a difficult decision for UH. Not so much leverage for Timmy by himself, but also losing Charlie would be devastating for UH Men’s VB.

Either way, standing up for his new AD says something about his character as a Coach. Takes balls to do what TC did. Makes me respect him all that much more.

Now he needs to negotiate for the additional budget of an OC.

[BigWave96744]

TC should have never let others know that if Angelos is fired he will resign. 3 years, 3 losing seasons has no leverage with those who matter. Especially if directed at Lois. Not good, not wise

I would agree if he stood by himself with his position. But he stands with Charlie on this. He and Charlie together makes the decision a difficult decision for UH. Not so much leverage for Timmy by himself, but also losing Charlie would be devastating for UH Men’s VB.

Either way, standing up for his new AD says something about his character as a Coach. Takes balls to do what TC did. Makes me respect him all that much more.

Now he needs to negotiate for the additional budget of an OC.

Yes he definitely needs someone with major experience being an OC or calling plays and not a buddy learning OTJ.

Timmy was a HC learning on the job and initially hired friends also learning on the job. We have a RB coach who never played or coached RB and last played in the RNS over 20 years.

We have a TE coach who started off the season coaching a position not being used when we went 4 out, pure RNS.

We have a grad assistants coaching the Safeties (Jake Locher) and CB (PJ Manaya). Thank God for Thurman's oversite.

Kenny knew this when he took the SJSU job. He didn't look for a triple option friend or former teammate, but someone who could work with the current players on hand and not take 2-3 years to get bowl eligible. He also brought along guys with experience in the position they are coaching.

Don't know if it's too late. Game 12 is very pivotal in him trying to wiggle for a return for a 4th year. Lois will be the interim AD come 1DEC so some major humble pie might need to be on the menu on Thanksgiving

[kapakahi]

UH still get chance!

https://twitter.com/PeteNakos_/status/1858904341484044323

Already a proven winner & playcaller with RnS & RPO @ UH. Also has same ties as TC to Dan Morrison who might be the key to keeping Thurman as the DC….as well as Reinebold & CB.

https://twitter.com/PeteNakos_/status/1858579042108101029

[RedZone]

UH still get chance!

https://twitter.com/PeteNakos_/status/1858904341484044323

Already a proven winner & playcaller with RnS & RPO @ UH. Also has same ties as TC to Dan Morrison who might be the key to keeping Thurman as the DC….as well as Reinebold & CB.

https://twitter.com/PeteNakos_/status/1858579042108101029

[kapakahi]

Evidently next move is TC's....following next Saturday's game....

With Angelos now ousted as AD by outgoing Lassner, seems like TC’s contract will likely remain status quo until next year when the Hensel replaces Lassner….unless Lassner takes action by this year’s end.

TC should have never let others know that if Angelos is fired he will resign. 3 years, 3 losing seasons has no leverage with those who matter. Especially if directed at Lois. Not good, not wise

https://www.sportshawaii.com/sh/viewtopic.php?t=52895

If what that post says is true then you may see coaches resign including Timmy Chang and more importantly Charlie Wade.

This is hilarious. Where's he going to go and earn over $700k? If he resigns, he saves UH on buying out his 4th year

https://twitter.com/GuavaPressMedia/status/1859705571131449633

[travo66]

Depends on which list you look at, Washington State is only on 1 (and not the one that counts) of those lists. So yes, I am wrong (although not when I wrote it), we played 2 currently ranked teams (only 1 while they were ranked), but hardly the ranked-laden schedule you made it out to be, and all of them still weren't pay-out games.

Isn't ranking at the end of the year the most important bench-mark? Also, it really doesn't matter when a team is ranked throughout the year...it means we played a ranked opponent. Whether they're esteemed by the press, coaches, or CFP board...seems irrelevant. They are esteemed programs...and there are an awful lot of teams to regard. Also, I wasn't speaking about money games only this year...I am pretty sure that the Pac12 (some now Big10 or whatever) paid us some cash to play us. Todd Graham and Timmy Chang had some rough schedules to handle amid the pandemic, pay-for-play, portal, and the local media circus.

If I could turn back recent time, I would have loved for Graham to have been counseled and re-directed. He was a good coach with some out-dated mannerisms. Coach Chang is new to the head coaching thing. He has made adjustments. His final year facing off against three top 25 teams was not ideal. Anyway, whatevahs. Peace.

Ok, we'll wait till the end of the season to look back on the schedule.

I too wish things went differently with TG as I enjoyed him as a coach. I do know one player personally though, that did confirm what was said throughout his "trial," so I'm a little torn.

[SundayJam]

You missed the whole point. We played 3 top 25 teams--two of which are in the college football playoff. We played them respectably. We played 2 Pac12 (?) teams who paid us money to do so. We played them respectably. We've got issues. I can say that Timmy Chang is not the cause of those issues.

Look, I don't love Graham or Chang. However, I think they are good coaches. I don't want to see us chasing another Von Ap or Chow. I see Chang as more akin to Coach Wagner. I am a little surprised Chang can't find a taller quarterback or Nasty Nate type running back. I think next year will prove to be the decisive one.

[cabanalane]

I think next year will prove to be the decisive one.

I though this year was "that year." Like the AD, anything can come from left field. As it stands, Chang comes back next year. BS13 comes back next year. McBride comes back for a total of 3 WRs worthy of WR1 + WR 4,5,6. RBs got another year of envelopment. Defense gel this year, but will be hard as a rock next year. So I can see next year, being the year. I can dream 7-6.

Or not. Ok, yes the decisive one. No question then.

[kapakahi]

We've got issues. I can say that Timmy Chang is not the cause of those issues.

I am a little surprised Chang can't find a taller quarterback or Nasty Nate type running back. I think next year will prove to be the decisive one.

The offense and especially the play calling (controlled exclusively by TC) definitely has issues. JMHO that it's definitely NOT a player (talent, skill, attitude, or effort) issue....BUT rather play calling that often becomes predictable which leaves the offense in vulnerable/susceptible to blitzes in obvious long down & distance passing situations. Whereas past UH RnS play callers have pre-scripted at least the first series of offensive plays with positive results, TC's offense (expect for the Nevada games) have struggled to be productive throughout the 1st Quarter.

BTW just FYI that UH is not actively recruiting any additional QB and/or RB for the 2025 Recruiting Class and are instead targeting recruits from the JC ranks for 3 specific priority recruiting positions (SB & WR; DT & DE/hybrid; and especially CB).

[travo66]

You missed the whole point. We played 3 top 25 teams--two of which are in the college football playoff. We played them respectably. We played 2 Pac12 (?) teams who paid us money to do so. We played them respectably. We've got issues. I can say that Timmy Chang is not the cause of those issues.

Look, I don't love Graham or Chang. However, I think they are good coaches. I don't want to see us chasing another Von Ap or Chow. I see Chang as more akin to Coach Wagner. I am a little surprised Chang can't find a taller quarterback or Nasty Nate type running back. I think next year will prove to be the decisive one.

Just curious, who are the 2 teams we played who are in the CFP? Boise St. and ? The only reason we played any of the 3 ranked teams respectably was the defense, NOT the offense led by TC, which is why I still think we need to move on from TC already. It was a horrible position he was put in (set up to fail from the start) created by Matlin.

[Makana]

I don't see how wanting a better coach to bring the team to long lost heights (or at least close to it) makes me a bandwagon fan, but ok, you be happy with being below mediocre.

Lol at thinking this is all on the head coach and not on the program at all. Coach Chang is being paid peanuts and he’s got the team holding it together than Norm Chow and Todd Graham ever had. And they were being paid 5 times more than what Chang got.

And with that said you really think the state of Hawaii really gives a sh!t about UH right now. With no stadium, no tailgate, trying to rob fans blind with the bullsh!t spectrum packages they’re trying to sell. And here you’re crying about Chang not doing this or that and I’ll change my mind if they make it to a bowl game….you scream bandwagon fan loudly!!!

Wonder if those wanting TC extended still feel like it and that others are haters?

I dunno, let's ask Makana. Am I still a bandwagon fan becuase I want a better HC to lead our team?

Nah you’re a bandwagon fan cause you only wanna come around if they go to a bowl game. You said it yourself.

[dakineguy]

Are the players happy? That is the most important thing to me.

[BigWave96744]

We've got issues. I can say that Timmy Chang is not the cause of those issues.

I am a little surprised Chang can't find a taller quarterback or Nasty Nate type running back. I think next year will prove to be the decisive one.

The offense and especially the play calling (controlled exclusively by TC) definitely has issues. JMHO that it's definitely NOT a player (talent, skill, attitude, or effort) issue....BUT rather play calling that often becomes predictable which leaves the offense in vulnerable/susceptible to blitzes in obvious long down & distance passing situations. Whereas past UH RnS play callers have pre-scripted at least the first series of offensive plays with positive results, TC's offense (expect for the Nevada games) have struggled to be productive throughout the 1st Quarter.

BTW just FYI that UH is not actively recruiting any additional QB and/or RB for the 2025 Recruiting Class and are instead targeting recruits from the JC ranks for 3 specific priority recruiting positions (SB & WR; DT & DE/hybrid; and especially CB).

Also a good coach will take what's given to him, add his recruits and design schemes with those personal. JJ took FVA's players and Rolo took Chow's players.

Year 3 are mostly TC's recruits, walkons he chose and also gave scholies to and also chose not to cut players low on the depth chart (like all coaches from JJ to TG did). He also chose to recruit heavily HS players in positions of immediate need.

[travo66]

Lol at thinking this is all on the head coach and not on the program at all. Coach Chang is being paid peanuts and he’s got the team holding it together than Norm Chow and Todd Graham ever had. And they were being paid 5 times more than what Chang got.

And with that said you really think the state of Hawaii really gives a sh!t about UH right now. With no stadium, no tailgate, trying to rob fans blind with the bullsh!t spectrum packages they’re trying to sell. And here you’re crying about Chang not doing this or that and I’ll change my mind if they make it to a bowl game….you scream bandwagon fan loudly!!!

Wonder if those wanting TC extended still feel like it and that others are haters?

I dunno, let's ask Makana. Am I still a bandwagon fan becuase I want a better HC to lead our team?

Nah you’re a bandwagon fan cause you only wanna come around if they go to a bowl game. You said it yourself.

I mean, you can call me a bandwagon fan of TC, sure, but I've been a fan of UH football since I was 6!

[SundayJam]

You missed the whole point. We played 3 top 25 teams--two of which are in the college football playoff. We played them respectably. We played 2 Pac12 (?) teams who paid us money to do so. We played them respectably. We've got issues. I can say that Timmy Chang is not the cause of those issues.

Look, I don't love Graham or Chang. However, I think they are good coaches. I don't want to see us chasing another Von Ap or Chow. I see Chang as more akin to Coach Wagner. I am a little surprised Chang can't find a taller quarterback or Nasty Nate type running back. I think next year will prove to be the decisive one.

Just curious, who are the 2 teams we played who are in the CFP? Boise St. and ? The only reason we played any of the 3 ranked teams respectably was the defense, NOT the offense led by TC, which is why I still think we need to move on from TC already. It was a horrible position he was put in (set up to fail from the start) created by Matlin.

UNLV is currently ranked 24th on the college football playoff rankings. I'm pretty sure they've been on and off it throughout the year. They're a good team. We played them well. I also consider any Big10/Pac12 team to be a money game...we played UCLA and Washington St this year. Did they not pay us money? The only real embarrassment this year was this last road game. We are unlikely to repeat the Sugar Bowl year, so why are we playing 2 money games every year?

Chang had to piece together a coaching staff after being promoted from a position coach to being the head coach. He has since made adjustments and one of those adjustments was on defense. I think he has potential as a head coach for Hawaii. The dumbest fires for Hawaii have been: Wagner, McMackin, and Graham. The best firings were for their replacements. Only, I just don't get the same feeling for Graham's replacement. I kinda see him as more of a Wagner-type firing. The team is moving forward under difficult circumstances. I'd like to see it keep going in that direction.