New Aloha Stadium & TC Ching Expansion

[My3Cats]

It's hard not to be cynical, but this kind of thinking is part of the reason why things take forever to get done in Hawaii. Rail and stadium being the primary recent examples.

Not to forget Frank's rail, Super Ferry, Thirty Meter Telescope . . .

It took the State 30 years to get H3 completed.

I'll give you that. BUT a stadium, on land for the most part pretty much prepped to go as soon as current stadium is demolished, should be an easier project than an elevated rail through busy and congested thoroughfare, an elevated freeway through a sacred jungle and a mountain range, and a large telescope 13,000 feet up and a hornets nest of Hawaiian Sovereignty activists. I mean Stan Sheriff Center was built in like 2 years tops. We can build quick or at least in a normal amount of time if we just get out of our own way.

Indeed I agree. But need to be mindful of the iwi too. That's a rather large land area, even just for the stadium footprint, unless it is fitted where the existing stadium is located because it was already excavated. The rest of the project site would then be subject to careful examination.

[ulua]

How much does the entertainment district affect all of this? And do we really need it?

[SundayJam]

LOL...I ride an elevated train to work that was built during the covid years in a busy congested thoroughfare. It can be done. In contrast, my dad's company was bidding on an EL for Hawaii more than 50 years ago. IDK, guys...did H3 even make sense? It is a direct link between Kaneohe Marine base and Pearl Harbor. A stadium and a rail system still make sense.

[EITSwarrior]

How much does the entertainment district affect all of this? And do we really need it?

The entertainment district is part of the incentive to get private developers for the stadium on board. Plus whatever revenue the entertainment district makes goes toward stadium maintenance, something which was an obvious issue for the old stadium. Do we need it? It's arguable but it makes sense in the long run.

[ulua]

How much does the entertainment district affect all of this? And do we really need it?

The entertainment district is part of the incentive to get private developers for the stadium on board. Plus whatever revenue the entertainment district makes goes toward stadium maintenance, something which was an obvious issue for the old stadium. Do we need it? It's arguable but it makes sense in the long run.

Thank you for sharing this information

[My3Cats]

LOL...I ride an elevated train to work that was built during the covid years in a busy congested thoroughfare. It can be done. In contrast, my dad's company was bidding on an EL for Hawaii more than 50 years ago. IDK, guys...did H3 even make sense? It is a direct link between Kaneohe Marine base and Pearl Harbor. A stadium and a rail system still make sense.

I used to live in Kailua with my parents, and commute to town to UH and later for work. I now live in central Oahu and take H3 to visit my family and it is a God send. H3 virtually split the windward - town drive into three almost equal parts. I appreciate that Senator Inouye helped to push it through.

[cabanalane]

Modern warfare today (missile, cyber, drones) is (will be) different. I imagine when the idea of H3 was (also) to transport military equipment between Pearl Harbor to the Marine base in Kaneohe. That's why it lead direct to the base.

[76SOUTH]

How much does the entertainment district affect all of this? And do we really need it?

The entertainment district is part of the incentive to get private developers for the stadium on board. Plus whatever revenue the entertainment district makes goes toward stadium maintenance, something which was an obvious issue for the old stadium. Do we need it? It's arguable but it makes sense in the long run.

Thank you for sharing this information

So is it a football stadium with an entertainment district around it or is it an entertainment district with a football stadium in the middle of it? Which one is more important to our politicians?

[EITSwarrior]

The entertainment district is part of the incentive to get private developers for the stadium on board. Plus whatever revenue the entertainment district makes goes toward stadium maintenance, something which was an obvious issue for the old stadium. Do we need it? It's arguable but it makes sense in the long run.

Thank you for sharing this information

So is it a football stadium with an entertainment district around it or is it an entertainment district with a football stadium in the middle of it? Which one is more important to our politicians?

Well the stadium is getting built first. Thats the priority. It's been communicated as such numerous times and yet people still don't understand. People hear and believe what they wanna.

[SundayJam]

LOL...I ride an elevated train to work that was built during the covid years in a busy congested thoroughfare. It can be done. In contrast, my dad's company was bidding on an EL for Hawaii more than 50 years ago. IDK, guys...did H3 even make sense? It is a direct link between Kaneohe Marine base and Pearl Harbor. A stadium and a rail system still make sense.

I used to live in Kailua with my parents, and commute to town to UH and later for work. I now live in central Oahu and take H3 to visit my family and it is a God send. H3 virtually split the windward - town drive into three almost equal parts. I appreciate that Senator Inouye helped to push it through.

Uhm...I would drive the barren H3 when it first opened as a joy-ride on the week-end. I always took the Pali or Like Like to work. They were slow....and never improved while I lived there...in Kailua or Kaneohe. Of course, Kapolei was not a city back then either. I eventually had to move to town..and rode a bike to work and school.

BTW, lack of maintenance didn't destroy Aloha Stadium. A preliminary design to allow rust did. Supposedly, when a layer of rust would form it was supposed to stop. It didn't. The layer of rust fell off...and the process began again.

[My3Cats]

LOL...I ride an elevated train to work that was built during the covid years in a busy congested thoroughfare. It can be done. In contrast, my dad's company was bidding on an EL for Hawaii more than 50 years ago. IDK, guys...did H3 even make sense? It is a direct link between Kaneohe Marine base and Pearl Harbor. A stadium and a rail system still make sense.

I used to live in Kailua with my parents, and commute to town to UH and later for work. I now live in central Oahu and take H3 to visit my family and it is a God send. H3 virtually split the windward - town drive into three almost equal parts. I appreciate that Senator Inouye helped to push it through.

Uhm...I would drive the barren H3 when it first opened as a joy-ride on the week-end. I always took the Pali or Like Like to work. They were slow....and never improved while I lived there...in Kailua or Kaneohe. Of course, Kapolei was not a city back then either. I eventually had to move to town..and rode a bike to work and school.

BTW, lack of maintenance didn't destroy Aloha Stadium. A preliminary design to allow rust did. Supposedly, when a layer of rust would form it was supposed to stop. It didn't. The layer of rust fell off...and the process began again.

I live in Mililani so don't have a need to drive over and through the Koolaus to Kailua in afternoon rush hour. Except on one occasion a couple years ago when I needed to go from downtown to Kailua via the Pali. Supposed to be peak rush hour on a weekday and not a holiday. Almost no traffic. Now the drive west is another animal during afternoon rush hour. Nasty is too nice a word.

[RLWarfan]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.army.m ... way_system

H3 I believe brought MCAS base into compliance. As part of the Eisenhower IHS, the main purpose is to allow MCAS to mobilize quickly. Thus the federal funding partnership with the state. All of the military bases have quick access to IHS. As civilians we get to use it for traveling. The concept developed from the Cold War to escape and defend a nuclear attack. I attached the US Army link explaining the reason, purpose and need for IHS.

[Walkoff Balk]

The Honolulu City Council would rather payoff a lawsuit to the family of a person committing a crime than support UH sports.

[EITSwarrior]

The Honolulu City Council would rather payoff a lawsuit to the family of a person committing a crime than support UH sports.

Well that lawsuit is a CC of Honolulu issue so that's part of their job. UH sports as part of the UH system which is a state entity falls under the State of Hawaii government. So supporting UH sports is really a Hawaii State Legislature issue, not really a Honolulu City Council one.

[kapakahi]

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