NEXT QB - Shager Was Exposed

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I believe BS13 has been in the R&S for 1 year? Is that correct? Prior to last season it was the RPO. I always heard it takes a year and a half for the light to go on for the R&S.
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There has got to be social pressure to play BS because his parents are there for the games. Seems to me the QBs need to continue to work together with the WRs after practice so that they develop a relationship with all the receivers; much the same as McKenzie Milton used to do at Mililani and possibly at UCF. Something that I thought was a given was they ran a jet sweep with Hines against DSU but they probably didn't do it against UCLA because of the 4+ star recruits on the defense, but why not try the 4.33 WR transfer on the jet sweep to open the middle. Also, since they have at athlete on DL who doesn't appear to start why not try his 6'4 frame, 40 inch vertical on offense and maybe try him two way.

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stranger_808 wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:36 pm I believe BS13 has been in the R&S for 1 year? Is that correct? Prior to last season it was the RPO. I always heard it takes a year and a half for the light to go on for the R&S.
Fair...but mechanics, in game awareness and inaccuracy are non scheme related.
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EITSwarrior wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 4:56 pm
Palolo_2LA wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 4:31 pm
EITSwarrior wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 2:47 pm

Didn’t say it wasn’t a problem. I’m saying this reaction is.
Just frustrated with sticking with a broken script.
I understand that. I would focus more of my frustration on the playcalling rather than on the players.
I get that...but the delay of games and short hopping throws and only going to #5 are solely on #13.

I also agree that playcalling is all over the place. Those RB dives into a brick wall make me cringe. Where are the seam routes and rubs? Call unko Rolo bc those were his favorite.
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schager is overrated.he has no touch on his passes.he doesn’t make good decisions and is very predictable to the defense.i wish he would have transfered.

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Deleted. Duke's points were more accurate.
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Palolo_2LA wrote: Mon Sep 02, 2024 9:41 am We all know what #13 brings, and he's not going to improve, so why not give John his opportunity? In many ways he's responsible for the loss.

If #16 or # 12 can't make better plays then what we've seen from #13, TC needs to reassess his evaluation of QB talent. Ironically, #13 is similar to TC, who was wildly inaccurate.

Here are common mistakes/misques by #13;

- 3 delay of games for a Sr QB!!!!! (Unacceptable as a Senior QB with so much experience)
- Bad awareness - got leveled bc he's standing up tall as he's leaving the pocket (again shouldn't happen to a guy with 4 yrs of experience)
- Interception bc he's forcing the ball (in one series in the first half he threw to Pofele 5 x. Are you kidding me?)
- At times seems to be going through the motions - in the read option, hands ball off as RB is getting hit
-overthrows
- rocket balls
- underthrows
- terrible pocket presence at times
We loss 16-13 with a minute left in the game and the sky is falling. Schager gives us the best chance of having a winning season and making a bowl game. Some fans don't get.

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- 3 senior receivers, 2 games and 3 catches.
- 1 senior receiver, starter, 2 games and 0 catches
- UCLA, bigger, faster. more talented DBs, shut down 3/4s of the receivers in the 2nd half, man coverage
- 3/4s of the receivers had no separation in the second half
- receivers, with the exception of Ashlock, are not open and no separation
- tight DB coverage, smaller passing windows, very difficult throws
- because of tight windows QB had to hold the ball longer, gets pounded after every throw, 5 sacks
- because of no separation and tight passing windows Schager had to throw bullets to try to squeeze his throws in, he had no choice
- poor play calling, run, run 3rd and long with D playing man coverage with more talented DBs
- no run game, Sims is not the answer, more speed is needed, backs that can catch the ball and create space is needed
- poor game planning offensively
- no half time adjustments
- minimal screens, RB passes, poor play calling to counter 3 rush + blitz, drop eight into coverage, man press

= game loss

yeah, it's all on Schager, LOL. And you think the backups who have no experience would do better. Odds are they would force the ball, you would have had more interceptions and the game would have been a lot worse then 16-13

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TC and the offensive coaching staff really need to re-think their game planning, to include possible half time adjustments when something is not working. Granted UCLA was much more talented overall, but what TheDuke said I basically agree with all. But Schager still needed to sit out at least one possession to have his ankle more fully looked over by the training staff IMHO. He's lucky that no further damage was done where he could have been lost for the season as that ankle was vulnerable.
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the sky is falling.200 yards passing per game is underachievement.sam houston will blow us out with the same old qb1 play.2-2 after 4 games is a failure.

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anykine wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 2:52 pm the sky is falling.200 yards passing per game is underachievement.sam houston will blow us out with the same old qb1 play.2-2 after 4 games is a failure.
As Lou Holtz would say with a lisp, "Sam Houston St. put on their pants one leg at a time."

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anykine wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 2:52 pm the sky is falling.200 yards passing per game is underachievement.sam houston will blow us out with the same old qb1 play.2-2 after 4 games is a failure.
If we use stats, BS13 is one of the best in the MWC.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/co ... aders.html

#1 in Pass Completions, #1 Passing Yards, #1 Passing Touchdowns, #1 in Total Yards. And NOT #1 in interceptions - Ok, #2.

Sounds like Tim Chang 2.0, no?

Team W-L sure does not look like anything close to the glory days. Worst than Todd Graham.

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cabanalane wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:02 pm
anykine wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 2:52 pm the sky is falling.200 yards passing per game is underachievement.sam houston will blow us out with the same old qb1 play.2-2 after 4 games is a failure.
If we use stats, BS13 is one of the best in the MWC.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/co ... aders.html

#1 in Pass Completions, #1 Passing Yards, #1 Passing Touchdowns, #1 in Total Yards. And NOT #1 in interceptions - Ok, #2.

Sounds like Tim Chang 2.0, no?

Team W-L sure does not look like anything close to the glory days. Worst than Todd Graham.
But we also played 2 games while most (aside from Nevada & New Mexico) only played 1

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did anybody see timmy chang’s post game interview ?he was mumbling like a batu head with missing teeth.he didn’t make a qb change and cost us a chance to win the game.

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BigWave96744 wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 8:04 pm
cabanalane wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:02 pm
anykine wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 2:52 pm the sky is falling.200 yards passing per game is underachievement.sam houston will blow us out with the same old qb1 play.2-2 after 4 games is a failure.
If we use stats, BS13 is one of the best in the MWC.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/co ... aders.html

#1 in Pass Completions, #1 Passing Yards, #1 Passing Touchdowns, #1 in Total Yards. And NOT #1 in interceptions - Ok, #2.

Sounds like Tim Chang 2.0, no?

Team W-L sure does not look like anything close to the glory days. Worst than Todd Graham.
But we also played 2 games while most (aside from Nevada & New Mexico) only played 1
My above quote was for last year's stats 2023. So you can see why there are "whispers" in his ear about the TP. If we just focus on the QB stats, for MWC, he is one of the best. No need to "suffer" by being at UH. Then again, football is a team sports.

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