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My3Cats wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:51 am
cabanalane wrote: Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:28 am
cabanalane wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:03 am Let's compare San Jose's new stadium. It was a dream in 2016. Ground breaking was in 2019. Projected completion date Aug 2023. It's not Hawaii, so can't compare. It's not fast-track rush project. It's just one example of a timeline.
Quoting this example. No way they can finish the aloha stadium in 4 years (2027). Unless ground breaking is tomorrow. Or are we still at the concept stage?
Requests for proposals have not even gone out yet. I seriously doubt that this will get completed by 2030 even.
If this was the guess the score contest:
Reported Finish (ie tickets sold): 2027 :^o
My Guess: 2028 :pray:
Reality (ie turnstile): 2030 :oops:

By then UH could possible be an FCS team and just play in their 15K on-campus Stadium. But hey might get some great concerts, mma fights and exhibition NFL game at Aloha Stadium

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kapakahi wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:09 am https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/03/aloha ... tate-says/ https://twitter.com/CivilBeat/status/1641602804547735553
Luxury accommodations all the way. What a crock. I'd be happy with a clean hotel room with no bed bugs, breakfast buffet at a Courtyard by Marriott or similar, and plate lunches for lunch and dinner. Throw in chocolate cake, brownies or chocolate cookies for dessert and I'm good to go. Business class on flights is more than enough because more leg room.
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You figure with what's going on with the rail, that building a "major" project, the management would be more careful with expenditures, etc, etc. Imaging the new stadium going over budget and with a 7 year delay, how would the public feel.

Oh...wait, never start yet.

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clown show.

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I’m beginning to ask myself what happens first?

New Stadium or NASA Artemis Moon base?

New stadium or Elon Musk Mars colony base?

Don’t sleep on NASA or Elon.

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"Hawaiian Time" at its worst. Union construction workers cannot get paid if the project hasn't started yet. Legislators and bureaucrats - SMH.
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https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/04/ ... ompletion/
Aloha Stadium plan shift may extend timeline for completion
By Dave Reardon April 2, 2023

State planners, under the new administration of Gov. Josh Green, had hoped to send out requests for proposals by the end of January for the New Aloha Stadium Entertainment District. That was later pushed to the end of the first quarter on March 31.

The date came and went Friday, but the RFPs still are not out and, in fact, may need to be revised significantly because of a change in the project designed to keep taxpayer costs within the $400 million allocated for the new stadium by the state Legislature last year.

Green announced a switch two weeks ago from having a private partner design, build, finance and maintain — or DBFM — the stadium to having the partner design, build, operate and maintain it, or DBOM.

The previous plan — reflected in the existing RFPs that have been in the works since 2018 — called for a private-sector partner to build the new stadium and another to develop the area around the Halawa site with mixed-use private real estate.

The state’s most recent estimate would see the stadium completed in time for the 2027 football season, but now that’s at risk with the new delay in the RFP process.

“The RFP was essentially built around DBFM, so we’re going to have to go back and redesign the RFPs (for a DBOM plan), if that’s what the administration wants to do,” State Comptroller Keith Regan told state senators Tuesday.

“We are in a holding pattern until we get more definitive direction,” said Chris Kinimaka, the lead public works administrator for the project, at a Stadium Authority meeting Thursday.

That direction might come soon, as Green met later Thursday with other state officials regarding the stadium, including the leaders of the House, Senate and Stadium Authority.

“It was a very productive meeting and everyone’s moving in the same direction,” said Chris Sadayasu, who attended in his role as interim director of the Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism.

(Sadayasu’s continued involvement in the stadium project may be short-lived since his appointment by Green was rejected by the state Senate March 24.)

The governor’s plan is for a private partner to operate and maintain the stadium for 30 years after building it at state expense using the $400 million allocated by the Legislature.

Stadium Authority board member Michael Yadao expressed optimism in Green’s plan.

“The DBOM methodology is new to the state but provides incentives needed to ensure a timely build and puts the onus on the development team to maximize stadium usage and upkeep,” Yadao said.

Prior to the 2022 election, Green said he supported the New Aloha Stadium Entertainment District plan, as long as it included a significant amount of affordable housing.

That would be regardless of whether the project was part of a public-private partnership involving a stadium and real estate component or a stand-alone stadium developed via the state’s traditional design-build model, as Green’s predecessor, Gov. David Ige preferred.

Green changed course after state Budget and Finance Director Luis Salaveria analyzed a report saying taxpayers could be at risk of having to pay up to double the $400 million cost for the stadium under the so-called P3 plan.

On Tuesday, the state Senate issued a resolution endorsing the governor’s DBOM plan.

“The Senate and administration are on board,” said Sen. Glenn Wakai (D, Kalihi-­Salt Lake-Pearl Harbor) at the Stadium Authority meeting Thursday. “We’re waiting for the House to come on board. We’re all anxiously awaiting the (new) RFP.”

Wakai, a longtime NASED proponent, represents communities surrounding the stadium.

One remaining area of contention is seating capacity. Originally, the new stadium was planned for 30,000. The old Aloha Stadium, opened in 1975 and closed for spectator events in 2020 due to safety concerns, seated 50,000.

“Whatever form the stadium takes, the foundation will be built to allow (capacity) to be expanded,” Stadium Authority Vice Chair Brennon Morioka said when asked about reports of a 25,000-seat plan.

The University of Hawaii football team will continue to play its games in Manoa until the new stadium is built. The Clarence T.C. Ching Athletics Complex stadium on the lower campus is undergoing expansion from 9,000 to 15,000 seats before the 2023 season.

Time is also an issue because of rising costs for building materials. The longer it takes to build, the less $400 million will buy, and the new stadium might end up less of a multipurpose venue than planners envisioned.

NASED planners estimated that with its original P3 plan, the state could make an annual profit after eight years from the contributions of the private builders, based on ground leases around the stadium for new housing, restaurants, shops and other attractions.

The state has invested around $25 million since 2018 to develop NASED plans; more than half of that figure might not be transferable should there be a change in course. Much of this would depend on the degree to which the RFPs would have to be changed to accommodate the proposed design-build-operate-maintain model.

“Everyone agrees don’t spend more money,” Wakai said. “It’s getting way too complicated. It needs to be simple and someone has to make decisions. We gotta pull the trigger.”

The Stadium Authority’s next monthly meeting is April 27.

“Hopefully we have good news for everyone,” Morioka said at Thursday’s meeting.



Building Models
Three types of plans have been considered for building the new Aloha Stadium in Halawa.

Design-build:
Under its traditional project model, the state would hire private contractors to design and build the stadium, who would no longer be involved once it’s built. This plan was preferred by former Gov. David Ige.

Design-build-finance-­maintain (DBFM):
Private contractors would design, build, finance and maintain the stadium while the state operates it. This type of arrangement is what New Aloha Stadium Entertainment District planners have worked on for five years and what the current request for proposals is geared toward.

Design-build-­operate- maintain (DBOM):
Private contractors design, build, operate and maintain the stadium, with the state funding most of the construction. This is Gov. Josh Green’s preferred plan.

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on a positive note,the rail from a dirt lot in kapolei is about to begin service to the rotting remains of the old aloha stadium.clown show deluxe.

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But choke people will clamor to ride Mufi's Choo Choo. Because that's what locals do when something is new and shiny. And get plenty selfies to post to social media. Park in either the Kapolei or Aloha Stadium lots and take a round trip back. This probably will go on for at least a couple of weeks before the novelty wears off.
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according to everything i read in the media,the new aloha stadium completion date is 2027.if anybody see one new update,please post.

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anykine wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:24 pm according to everything i read in the media,the new aloha stadium completion date is 2027.if anybody see one new update,please post.
I think that the unofficial latest is 2028 now because of these recent changes.
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My3Cats wrote: Thu Apr 06, 2023 9:03 am But choke people will clamor to ride Mufi's Choo Choo. Because that's what locals do when something is new and shiny. And get plenty selfies to post to social media. Park in either the Kapolei or Aloha Stadium lots and take a round trip back. This probably will go on for at least a couple of weeks before the novelty wears off.
If the seats are comfortable, it might a good place to spend the day napping. Also, would provide good access to various sleeping locations at night. The secret camping options outside the stations could be numerous.

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My3Cats wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2023 8:32 am "Hawaiian Time" at its worst. Union construction workers cannot get paid if the project hasn't started yet. Legislators and bureaucrats - SMH.
"Hawaiian Time" used to mean just late. IMO, that's fine. If the workers went surfing or fishing on the weekend, or half day Fridays, and come back Monday to work (happy), that's all good.

This kind of delay or "slow" is mismanagement and corruption.

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