A look at the recent U.H. Coaches and their record during their second season at the helm

[Egonator]

A look at the recent U.H. Coaches and their record during their second season at the helm

1997: Fred Von Appen 3-9
2000: June Jones 3-9
2009: Greg McMackin 6-7
2013: Norm Chow 1-11
2017: Nick Rolovich 3-9
2021: Todd Graham 4-7*

With the loss against the UNLV, this is the sixth consecutive U.H. coach that will post a losing record during their second season. Any explanation as to why this may be? Media pressure? Rebuilding? Trying to bring their guys into the system? Different offensive schemes (I.E. switching from Pro Style to Run N Shoot and vice versa)?

[Irse]

I haven't looked into the others but June lost a lot of good players after his first year (Robinson, Ulbrich, Klemm, Noa, Forney). Plus his offense always struggles with a new QB until they get the offense down.

Graham has no excuse. He returned almost a whole offensive line from 2019 and they are all seniors or super seniors. He has a 1000 yd receiver in Smart. Plus Mardner is really coming on. Needs to add strength though. He's got the best 1-2 RB punch we've had in a while. No reason the O should be struggling as it is. I feel it's the offensive coaching staff. First time OC with hardly any experience as a position coach, two guys who were GAs last year, and a RB coach who was a CB coach last year (his position is the only one doing well). Overall the D is playing well. Sometimes we make stupid penalties like the late hit yesterday. DBs to me have been a disappointment. Need a whole revamp of the offensive coaching staff and put Abe back as a DB coach.

Too bad Graham doesn't like history. He would find out that when we try to be a run-first team, we suck. (Chow and von Appen)

[shrek2]

The relook of the sophomoric slumps by UH coaches isn't germane to a couple of coaches being Von Appen and Chow both of whom proved not to be head coaches. Von Appen had his best year in his sophomore year and his first year and third year yielded 2 and 0 wins respectively. Chow may have been a good OC when working at BYU and USC but he was never forced to make game time decisions and apparently trained his mind to think that way. With Rolo, he put all his marbles in Dru and should have had a good backup that could throw the ball. He made the mistake and paid for it in the second year. Greg's record of 6-7 is not bad but he failed to make any headway in winning bowl games. And it was inexcusable for him to make the remark prior to playing Notre Dame regarding the LBGTQ community. JJ offered Hawaii hope in the UH football program and it didn't matter if it was a down season because people had hope and he brought all kinds of people into Aloha. At this point, because of the miserable failure of our HC to promote nepotism in the program, it's turned off the fan base to the program. I blame it on Todd for not doing careful enough thinking before choosing his son. Not saying that nepotism can't work but in this case, geez, there was no value added but value detracted when Bo took over. Don't know how UH can recover from this in 2022.

[TheDuke]

A look at the recent U.H. Coaches and their record during their second season at the helm

1997: Fred Von Appen 3-9
2000: June Jones 3-9
2009: Greg McMackin 6-7
2013: Norm Chow 1-11
2017: Nick Rolovich 3-9
2021: Todd Graham 4-7*

With the loss against the UNLV, this is the sixth consecutive U.H. coach that will post a losing record during their second season. Any explanation as to why this may be? Media pressure? Rebuilding? Trying to bring their guys into the system? Different offensive schemes (I.E. switching from Pro Style to Run N Shoot and vice versa)?

I haven't looked into the others but June lost a lot of good players after his first year (Robinson, Ulbrich, Klemm, Noa, Forney). Plus his offense always struggles with a new QB until they get the offense down.

Graham has no excuse. He returned almost a whole offensive line from 2019 and they are all seniors or super seniors. He has a 1000 yd receiver in Smart. Plus Mardner is really coming on. Needs to add strength though. He's got the best 1-2 RB punch we've had in a while. No reason the O should be struggling as it is. I feel it's the offensive coaching staff. First time OC with hardly any experience as a position coach, two guys who were GAs last year, and a RB coach who was a CB coach last year (his position is the only one doing well). Overall the D is playing well. Sometimes we make stupid penalties like the late hit yesterday. DBs to me have been a disappointment. Need a whole revamp of the offensive coaching staff and put Abe back as a DB coach.

Too bad Graham doesn't like history. He would find out that when we try to be a run-first team, we suck. (Chow and von Appen)

Sorry, covid has a lot to do with the lack of practice time last year and the lack of meetings to fully communicate and establish his culture and philosophy. It is difficult to communicate, establish relationships and build trust with players without personal contact and interaction. It is hard to have a day to day reinforcement of what needs to be done. Graham has had a more difficult transition.

[RedZone]

A look at the recent U.H. Coaches and their record during their second season at the helm

1997: Fred Von Appen 3-9
2000: June Jones 3-9
2009: Greg McMackin 6-7
2013: Norm Chow 1-11
2017: Nick Rolovich 3-9
2021: Todd Graham 4-7*

With the loss against the UNLV, this is the sixth consecutive U.H. coach that will post a losing record during their second season. Any explanation as to why this may be? Media pressure? Rebuilding? Trying to bring their guys into the system? Different offensive schemes (I.E. switching from Pro Style to Run N Shoot and vice versa)?

I may be wrong but I think except for Graham none of the others were D1 head coaches before getting the job.

[UnBiasFan]

A look at the recent U.H. Coaches and their record during their second season at the helm

1997: Fred Von Appen 3-9
2000: June Jones 3-9
2009: Greg McMackin 6-7
2013: Norm Chow 1-11
2017: Nick Rolovich 3-9
2021: Todd Graham 4-7*

With the loss against the UNLV, this is the sixth consecutive U.H. coach that will post a losing record during their second season. Any explanation as to why this may be? Media pressure? Rebuilding? Trying to bring their guys into the system? Different offensive schemes (I.E. switching from Pro Style to Run N Shoot and vice versa)?

I may be wrong but I think except for Graham none of the others were D1 head coaches before getting the job.

June Jones was an NFL head coach prior to Hawaii

[wailukuwarriorfan]

A look at the recent U.H. Coaches and their record during their second season at the helm

1997: Fred Von Appen 3-9
2000: June Jones 3-9
2009: Greg McMackin 6-7
2013: Norm Chow 1-11
2017: Nick Rolovich 3-9
2021: Todd Graham 4-7*

With the loss against the UNLV, this is the sixth consecutive U.H. coach that will post a losing record during their second season. Any explanation as to why this may be? Media pressure? Rebuilding? Trying to bring their guys into the system? Different offensive schemes (I.E. switching from Pro Style to Run N Shoot and vice versa)?

I haven't looked into the others but June lost a lot of good players after his first year (Robinson, Ulbrich, Klemm, Noa, Forney). Plus his offense always struggles with a new QB until they get the offense down.

Graham has no excuse. He returned almost a whole offensive line from 2019 and they are all seniors or super seniors. He has a 1000 yd receiver in Smart. Plus Mardner is really coming on. Needs to add strength though. He's got the best 1-2 RB punch we've had in a while. No reason the O should be struggling as it is. I feel it's the offensive coaching staff. First time OC with hardly any experience as a position coach, two guys who were GAs last year, and a RB coach who was a CB coach last year (his position is the only one doing well). Overall the D is playing well. Sometimes we make stupid penalties like the late hit yesterday. DBs to me have been a disappointment. Need a whole revamp of the offensive coaching staff and put Abe back as a DB coach.

Too bad Graham doesn't like history. He would find out that when we try to be a run-first team, we suck. (Chow and von Appen)

Sorry, covid has a lot to do with the lack of practice time last year and the lack of meetings to fully communicate and establish his culture and philosophy. It is difficult to communicate, establish relationships and build trust with players without personal contact and interaction. It is hard to have a day to day reinforcement of what needs to be done. Graham has had a more difficult transition.

Wouldn't the pandemic have affected all D-1 teams with similar issues and challenges, thereby leveling the playing field in terms of Covid? It's not like Hawaii was the only D-1 college football team dealing with Covid last year.

[TheDuke]

sure it did but not as much as it hurt a HC and assistance in their first year where he didn't have a chance to get to know his players, establish a culture, install new systems and get in real practice time. Hard to build a team if you can't work with them one on one and build relationships. It is hard to earns trust and respect in zoom meetings.

[SundayJam]

Tod Graham's record these past 14 years: 176 - 104 which is roughly a 60% winning record. He's 6 - 4 in bowl games. He was the head coach at Rice, Tulsa, Pitt, Arizona St., and now Hawaii. This thing ain't over yet. Buying out McMackin's contract was the dumbest decision Hawaii ever made. Both of his coordinators ended up as head coaches at top universities. Aranda will likely become the next head coach at USC.

[My3Cats]

As a comparison regarding 1st year head coaches at a new school and their 1st and 2nd year won-loss records with a COVID year as his first season, take a look at Baylor with Dave Aranda:

2020 2-7
2021 8-2 so far, and with an upset special over previously undefeated Oklahoma.

And Aranda was never a head coach before.

[cabanalane]

Let's go one more back.

What was Bob Wagner's record in year 2?

[wyokie]

Let's go one more back.

What was Bob Wagner's record in year 2?

He went 9-3 in his second year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hawa ... tball_team

[Egonator]

Let's go one more back.

What was Bob Wagner's record in year 2?

Ok so one coach in the last 7 has posted a winning record in their second season. Thats not great and that doesn't really answer my question of why the last six coaches have posted losing records in their second season.

[honu888]

Let's go one more back.

What was Bob Wagner's record in year 2?

Ok so one coach in the last 7 has posted a winning record in their second season. Thats not great and that doesn't really answer my question of why the last six coaches have posted losing records in their second season.

There must be a great scientific explanation somewhere out there. All I can think of it’s just a bad streak for our coaches going into their second year. It is what it is. Can’t change the past. I just hope we can turn things around next season.

[honu888]

Let's go one more back.

What was Bob Wagner's record in year 2?

Ok so one coach in the last 7 has posted a winning record in their second season. Thats not great and that doesn't really answer my question of why the last six coaches have posted losing records in their second season.

There must be a great scientific explanation somewhere out there. All I can think of it’s just a bad streak for our coaches going into their second year. It is what it is. Can’t change the past. I just hope we can turn things around next season.