Here's what happening. Football scoop.com picks up this story and quotes KHON in its original story/Aloha Stadium condemned and unsafe to play in. KHON has since corrected it's story, and now cites the statement/press release by the Stadium Authority today. Meanwhile UH is getting punched on the national scene. Other national outlets will undoubtedly soon follow. Put yourself in the shoes of a recruit, potential recruit, or even current player when they read this news. They can't feel happy. I guess KHON should also come out and kiss good bye to the Hawaii Bowl, too.
ESPN runs the Hawaii Bowl right? They even decided before BYU had a winning season that they would be the ones to play in the 2019 Bowl. Anyway, it's just poor planning on the part of the Stadium Authority and State not to introduce a State bond for the funding of the fixtures. Didn't Larry Ellison declare his residency as Lanai instead of California? Hmmm, Oracle park carries his name so why not ask for his as well as Zuckerberg who is changing Kauai to lend some kokua in assistance during these Covid times. As far as the recruits are concerned, they are coming over for the team and the coaches. Bad publicity but if it's handled right it wont make a difference to the type of guys the coach wants. Ie, the selfless individual that works hard and not for individual glory but because they love the game. JMHO.
By the way, years ago when Stanford demolished and rebuilt their stadium, they started demolition the day after the 2005 season and they started playing games in a rebuilt stadium in September 2006.
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"Walk a single path, becoming neither cocky with victory nor broken with defeat." --- Jigoro Kano, The Founder of Judo
Politicians don’t want to spend any money fixing old stadium. Wakai said he sees no reason with the new stadium coming. He cited covid as one reason for not spending money on repairs. So now up to Matlin to find places to play. I think we may see a whole season on the road. But can we trust our politicians to build a new stadium? They still haven’t finished our rail. Will they ever?
Not doubting, not hating, not loving, just hoping because I am a fan.
RedZone wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:20 pm
Politicians don’t want to spend any money fixing old stadium. Wakai said he sees no reason with the new stadium coming. He cited covid as one reason for not spending money on repairs.
Just like the other State Legislators, Wakai was asleep at the wheel (but even more so since he regularly attended the Aloha Stadium Authority Board meetings)....since they failed to provide any repair & maintenance funding to Aloha Stadium for the past 6 years (from 2015....5 years before Covid). See below for what was reported back in January 2019....
Wakai's statement today that didn't make sense to him for the Legislature to appropriate any more repair & maintenance monies (from 2015) for the existing stadium structure shows that....he still doesn't get it.
Wakai's statement is analogous to saying.....that it doesn't make sense for a home-owner to spend monies to perform any repairs on an existing structurally deteriorating home for 9 years (from 2015 until 2023) until a brand-new replacement house is funded & constructed and ready for occupancy.....which basically implies that Wakai (as the financier for the home-owner) was willing to accept the risk & potential down-side consequences if the existing structurally deteriorating home were to sustain potential catastrophic damage (as a result of the inevitable further structural deterioration) during the interim period. However, the huge difference is that while State Legislators like Wakai (as the financiers) accepted this risk ....both the Aloha Stadium Authority & more so UH (as home-owner & primary tenant, respectively) are now both stuck with having to deal with these down-side consequences resulting from poor risk-management decisions made by our elected State Legislators....including Wakai.
rodfather wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:06 pm
Total incompetence by the state.
By the way, years ago when Stanford demolished and rebuilt their stadium, they started demolition the day after the 2005 season and they started playing games in a rebuilt stadium in September 2006.
Little bit different. Stanford's stadium is built in a bowl so its a little bit of an easier process
RedZone wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:20 pm
Politicians don’t want to spend any money fixing old stadium. Wakai said he sees no reason with the new stadium coming. He cited covid as one reason for not spending money on repairs.
Just like the other State Legislators, Wakai was asleep at the wheel (but even more so since he regularly attended the Aloha Stadium Authority Board meetings)....since they failed to provide any repair & maintenance funding to Aloha Stadium for the past 4 years (since 2017....3 years before Covid). See below for what was reported back in January 2019....
Wakai's statement today that didn't make sense to him for the Legislature to appropriate any more repair & maintenance monies (since 2017) for the existing stadium structure shows that....he still doesn't get it.
Wakai's statement is analogous to saying.....that it doesn't make sense for a home-owner to spend monies to perform any repairs on an existing structurally deteriorating home for 7 years (from 2017 until 2023) until a brand-new replacement house is funded & constructed and ready for occupancy.....which basically implies that Wakai (as the financier for the home-owner) was willing to accept the risk & potential down-side consequences if the existing structurally deteriorating home were to sustain potential catastrophic damage (as a result of the inevitable further structural deterioration) during the 7-year interim period. However, the huge difference is that while State Legislators like Wakai (as the financiers) accepted this risk ....both the Aloha Stadium Authority & more so UH (as home-owner & primary tenant, respectively) are now both stuck with having to deal with these down-side consequences resulting from poor risk-management decisions made by our elected State Legislators....including Wakai.
EITSwarrior wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 10:32 pm
To be fair, Im sure when that decision was made, no one expected a global pandemic to happen.
The global pandemic is just being cited by the Aloha Stadium Authority as the official reason for this tipping point.
Keep in mind that all State construction projects that are currently covered by funding appropriations from the 2019 State Legislative session are still proceeding.....regardless of the pandemic. If the Legislature appropriated some funding in 2019, then the most immediate & critical stadium repairs could have been performed in 2019 and 2020....without forcing the Aloha Stadium Authority to rely solely on its revenue resources. Ironically, the prohibition of spectator events in 2020 (in accordance with City & State pandemic guidelines) would have been the perfect opportunity for this repair work to be performed throughout 2020 at the stadium without interruptions (associated with accommodating spectator events) IF Legislative funding had been appropriated in 2019.
Again....
Those [legislators & Governors] who fail to plan [ahead and take action in a timely manner]…..inexorably [though not intentionally] plan to fail.....
rodfather wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:06 pm
Total incompetence by the state.
By the way, years ago when Stanford demolished and rebuilt their stadium, they started demolition the day after the 2005 season and they started playing games in a rebuilt stadium in September 2006.
Little bit different. Stanford's stadium is built in a bowl so its a little bit of an easier process
Plus Stanford is a private school which helps them get things done faster.
rodfather wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:06 pm
Total incompetence by the state.
By the way, years ago when Stanford demolished and rebuilt their stadium, they started demolition the day after the 2005 season and they started playing games in a rebuilt stadium in September 2006.
Little bit different. Stanford's stadium is built in a bowl so its a little bit of an easier process
Plus Stanford is a private school which helps them get things done faster.
Public or private does not matter much except if you're dealing with an entity that does not have money. Then you're stuck with dealing with the least competent to save money. Stanford received $1.1B in donations in 2018-19. They are constantly putting in new hospitals, buildings, etc. Used to work there. They are not very far from the Yahoo, Facebook, Google, Twitter campuses. Some kids, yes kids, make millions of dollars a year there working for these companies. When Twitter went public according to news sources, 3500 people became instant millionaires in SF because they worked for Twitter and were paid in company ownership. Hawaii does not have that kind of money changing hands.
rodfather wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:06 pm
Total incompetence by the state.
By the way, years ago when Stanford demolished and rebuilt their stadium, they started demolition the day after the 2005 season and they started playing games in a rebuilt stadium in September 2006.
Little bit different. Stanford's stadium is built in a bowl so its a little bit of an easier process
Yes. I am aware that Stanford stadium is different and Stanford is a private school. My point is that if the will is there things get done. I once worked a legislative session years ago. Let me just say the quality of leadership back then wasn’t impressive and still isn’t. Now we are caught in a perfect storm of revenue collapse. It will take good leadership to get this and other more pressing issues fixed.
"Walk a single path, becoming neither cocky with victory nor broken with defeat." --- Jigoro Kano, The Founder of Judo
rodfather wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:06 pm
Total incompetence by the state.
By the way, years ago when Stanford demolished and rebuilt their stadium, they started demolition the day after the 2005 season and they started playing games in a rebuilt stadium in September 2006.
Little bit different. Stanford's stadium is built in a bowl so its a little bit of an easier process
Yes. I am aware that Stanford stadium is different and Stanford is a private school. My point is that if the will is there things get done. I once worked a legislative session years ago. Let me just say the quality of leadership back then wasn’t impressive and still isn’t. Now we are caught in a perfect storm of revenue collapse. It will take good leadership to get this and other more pressing issues fixed.
I agree. I was just stating, construction wise, the differences.
why are we trying to confuse the issue? The point is that the issue is revenue events. The stadium was available for play 2 weeks ago. Nothing has changed. Because of covid you can't have attendance at any pending events thus no revenues to operate the stadium. When and if covid is under control under the current directives there will be no attendance at any future events and no revenues. They are doing what is appropriate, shutting down operations. With the vaccine hopefully things will be under control by August. How this was handled and made public was plain stupid. No one had to say anything. The only reason to announce something like this is political.
If anything the title of this post should be changed to reflect accurately what is going on. THE STADIUM HAS NOT BEEN CONDEMNED!