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Even IF the lack of revenues (due to no spectator events due to COVID) is the reason for suspending stadium operations, just can't expect the stadium structure to continue to be safe for spectator events (without implementing any structural repairs while it's structural deterioration continues to accelerate thereby degrading it's structural integrity) for 3 or 4 more years (IF and when a new stadium is built). Stadium revenue won't solve that problem.

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I get what you are saying. No one is saying that repairs don't need to be done. No one is saying that revenues will solve the maintenance needed problem. My point is that the stadium has not been condemned. Right now Hawaii is a joke on the mainland. A friend just asked me why did we shut down the stadium. We didn't. This going to hurt the football program big time during this recruiting period if the matter isn't clarified asap. This is just like Rolo and the press person on the field issue late last year. Do you think Graham and the rest of the coaching staff isn't pi$$ed regarding this matter? Another distraction before a bowl game and in the midst of recruiting. Do you think other programs aren't using this against us? They are laughing and smiling at this development and no one in a leadership role is clarifying this debacle.

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Saw article on 50 worst football stadiums, Aloha
Stadium was ranked #2. They should start dismantling the upper deck and blue levels, leave only the orange section until new stadium is built. Much less structural work to maintain.

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bogeywarrior wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:10 am Saw article on 50 worst football stadiums, Aloha
Stadium was ranked #2. They should start dismantling the upper deck and blue levels, leave only the orange section until new stadium is built. Much less structural work to maintain.
I was thinking this too.
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My3Cats wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:12 am
bogeywarrior wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:10 am They should start dismantling the upper deck and blue levels, leave only the orange section until new stadium is built. Much less structural work to maintain.
I was thinking this too.
It's just a sad situation....that the Stadium Authority literally can't afford to do that either.....or anything else.

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Stadium Authority is part of the problem. They don't run the stadium as a business. They run it like a government agency. They have been over paid and incompetent since day one.

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Listen from 1:32 to 1:55 for Sports Animals' comments and interview with Senator Wakai (from Monday afternoon)…..where the Senator didn't deny that he was basically "asleep at the wheel" but still accepts no responsibility....and doesn't offer any suggestions for solution options.....other than to punt this whole issue to UH AD Matlin to work out.....

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TheDuke wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:25 pm Stadium Authority is part of the problem. They don't run the stadium as a business. They run it like a government agency. They have been over paid and incompetent since day one.
FYI that the Stadium Authority Board is actually comprised of Governor-appointed community leaders (confirmed by the State Senate) ....mostly from the private business sector....including some with current UH ties (NA KOA Board affiliations; AKA Board affiliations; and the UH Dean) as well as the UH President (as a non-voting member). The Stadium General Manager and administration are subordinate to the Authority Board. See below.....
http://alohastadium.hawaii.gov/administ ... authority/
kapakahi wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:50 am Accordingly, the Aloha Stadium Authority has been operating on their own revenues (essentially as a private business)…..so it shouldn't be a surprise that the pandemic (with no spectator events) has also significantly reduced their financial resources (much like a private business - but actually even worse since any unspent revenue must be returned at the end of the fiscal year to the State's general funds (for re-appropriation by the Legislature) plus the Governor has not designated any CARES Act relief funds for the stadium) to continue operating & maintaining the facilities. As such, the Aloha Stadium Authority is not allowed by law (as was introduced & enacted by the Legislature) to retain any unspent revenue beyond any fiscal year.....to purposely prevent revenue reserves to be established (i.e., can no longer retain any revenue profits for future expenditure).

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Aloha Stadium one day will go away. In some way, I'm going to miss it like how I miss the International Marketplace in Waikiki.

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kapakahi wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:41 pm
TheDuke wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:25 pm Stadium Authority is part of the problem. They don't run the stadium as a business. They run it like a government agency. They have been over paid and incompetent since day one.
FYI that the Stadium Authority Board is actually comprised of Governor-appointed community leaders (confirmed by the State Senate) ....mostly from the private business sector....including some with current UH ties (NA KOA Board affiliations; AKA Board affiliations; and the UH Dean) as well as the UH President (as a non-voting member). The Stadium General Manager and administration are subordinate to the Authority Board. See below.....
http://alohastadium.hawaii.gov/administ ... authority/
kapakahi wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:50 am Accordingly, the Aloha Stadium Authority has been operating on their own revenues (essentially as a private business)…..so it shouldn't be a surprise that the pandemic (with no spectator events) has also significantly reduced their financial resources (much like a private business - but actually even worse since any unspent revenue must be returned at the end of the fiscal year to the State's general funds (for re-appropriation by the Legislature) plus the Governor has not designated any CARES Act relief funds for the stadium) to continue operating & maintaining the facilities. As such, the Aloha Stadium Authority is not allowed by law (as was introduced & enacted by the Legislature) to retain any unspent revenue beyond any fiscal year.....to purposely prevent revenue reserves to be established (i.e., can no longer retain any revenue profits for future expenditure).
"but actually even worse since any unspent revenue must be returned at the end of the fiscal year to the State's general funds " they can pretend to act like a private business but with a condition like this they can't. There is no motivation to make a profit. In many government agencies you spend it all because if you don't you lose it.

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TheDuke wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:39 pm "but actually even worse since any unspent revenue must be returned at the end of the fiscal year to the State's general funds " they can pretend to act like a private business but with a condition like this they can't. There is no motivation to make a profit. In many government agencies you spend it all because if you don't you lose it.
Correct....that there is no motivation to make a profit.

All State government agencies also have to comply with the State's procurement laws (which private businesses don't contend with) in order to spend monies within a given fiscal year which makes it difficult for the Stadium Authority to spend it all (since annual revenues vary year-to-year depending on events held within a fiscal year) .....so the unspent monies just gets funneled back to the State's revolving general funds for re-appropriation by the State Legislature the following legislative session.

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well you can't run an on going entity this way.

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kapakahi wrote: Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:59 am Self-serving statements from the Gov.....probably because he doesn't have a plan to deal with the State's budget shortfall.... :roll:
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/02/ ... 5b4a3bb7bd
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kapakahi wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:26 pm
Keep in mind that all State construction projects that are currently covered by funding appropriations from the 2019 State Legislative session are still proceeding.....regardless of the pandemic. If the Legislature appropriated some funding in 2019, then the most immediate & critical stadium repairs could have been performed in 2019 and 2020....without forcing the Aloha Stadium Authority to rely solely on its revenue resources. Ironically, the prohibition of spectator events in 2020 (in accordance with City & State pandemic guidelines) would have been the perfect opportunity for this repair work to be performed throughout 2020 at the stadium without interruptions (associated with accommodating spectator events) IF Legislative funding had been appropriated in 2019.

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From the Star-Advertiser...
Aloha Stadium officials say facility needs overdue repairs to host fans
By Ferd Lewis Today

Without a significant amount of investment in repair and maintenance, the operation of the current Aloha Stadium will be without fans in the stands, officials acknowledged to lawmakers on Wednesday.

In testimony before the state Senate Committee on Energy, Economic Development and Tourism, Stadium Manager Scott Chan and deputy manager Ryan Andrews painted a grim picture of the decrepit 46-year-old facility.

Andrews said the last full structural integrity assessment of the facility was completed in 2018, and, “There was a whole laundry list of areas that needed to be addressed.”

He said there were several areas deemed critical “that had to be addressed in a 24-month period and, unfortunately, those 24 months have come and gone and those items weren’t funded or repaired so they exist today.”

Although the stadium sought at least $50 million in health and safety funding over a three-year period, officials said the facility did not receive any appropriations for the work.


Andrews said, “So we need to have another assessment to see what has taken place before we can allow people back in the facility.” But, Andrews cautioned, “We run the risk of learning even more about the facility. Additional items (of concern) could be identified.”

Committee chairman Glenn Wakai (D, Kalihi-Pearl Harbor) asked, “So, we should pretty much have the mind-set that if we are ever going to use the stadium itself it will only be for on-field activities and don’t even think that we’re going to put fans in the bleachers, correct?”

Andrews replied, “Not without a significant amount of investment, correct.”

The revelations come as Gov. David Ige has suggested the state might invest in repair and maintenance of the rusting stadium to keep it usable for the University of Hawaii football team “for many, many years to come” instead of spending $350 million for a new facility as part of a public-private partnership with a yet-to-be-selected development partner.

Ige said on Tuesday, “Right now we’re looking at all options.”

Between 2008 and 2017 reports indicate the state spent $98 million on health and safety issues at the stadium and a 2017 report by forensic structural analysts hired by the state warned that $300 million in critical health and safety repairs would be needed to keep the stadium fully operational for more than a decade. The report noted that a new stadium could be built for $324.5 million in 2017 dollars.


In a structural assessment snapshot during closed-door executive session late last year, forensic analysts reportedly projected an immediate $10 million bill for basic health and safety issues. Concerns were said to have been expressed about key elements of diagonal bracing and failing drains that could pose hazards to spectators.

More than 80 complete rows of seats and more than 150 other locations are so corroded that they were described as requiring comprehensive repairs.

The consultant is said to have reiterated a need for major repairs while also noting that minor repairs have not been recapped.
Definitely not "revelations" for the lawmakers (Governor Ige & state legislators, including Senator Glenn Wakai) who either just didn't believe or consciously chose not to take seriously what the stadium officials previously told them before in earlier testimonies to the State Legislature in past years. Even now, the Governor evidently still doesn't believe it. :roll:
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there is no sense of urgency ....

maybe the whole season needs to go on the road ... how about the team moves to Vegas for the fall ... they can take their classes online

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