New Hire - G.J. Kinne - Offense Coordinator/QB Coach

[TheDuke]

gophers learn a lot from the top men in the business. That's why you want to be a gopher. The same applies for other major businesses. At a fortunes 100 companies you vie to be an AA to executives. Yes, you are a gopher but you get to see how decisions are made and implemented.

[shrek2]

I don't see anywhere in Gary Joe Kinne's resume that he worked 5 years for Todd Graham. It looks like he was struggling to make it in Pro football at quarterback mostly at Philadelphia and his only official gigs seem to be SMU, Arkansas and the Eagles. One thing we have is a former quarterback who even tried playing wide receiver for the Eagles coaching the UH quarterbacks and managing the offense. I would guess by his attempts to make the big show that he will be trying to win games to further his career.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._J._Kinne

[Irse]

I don't see anywhere in Gary Joe Kinne's resume that he worked 5 years for Todd Graham. It looks like he was struggling to make it in Pro football at quarterback mostly at Philadelphia and his only official gigs seem to be SMU, Arkansas and the Eagles. One thing we have is a former quarterback who even tried playing wide receiver for the Eagles coaching the UH quarterbacks and managing the offense. I would guess by his attempts to make the big show that he will be trying to win games to further his career.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._J._Kinne

Did someone say he worked 5 years under Graham?

[shrek2]

I don't see anywhere in Gary Joe Kinne's resume that he worked 5 years for Todd Graham. It looks like he was struggling to make it in Pro football at quarterback mostly at Philadelphia and his only official gigs seem to be SMU, Arkansas and the Eagles. One thing we have is a former quarterback who even tried playing wide receiver for the Eagles coaching the UH quarterbacks and managing the offense. I would guess by his attempts to make the big show that he will be trying to win games to further his career.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._J._Kinne

Did someone say he worked 5 years under Graham?

A first time OC. I think Kinne was OC for 1 game in college and that's it. Much different when you have to actually talk to the players and explain your system. We'll see how he communicates with the players. Phillips is another one, only an "analyst", fancy name for Gofer. But, Phillips did coach 2 years in Texas HS before getting this gig, before that a 5 year "analyst" for Graham at ASU. Coaching in Hawaii isn't just coaching. We'll see rookie growing pains and mistakes when the team has to travel.

[shrek2]

I don't see anywhere in Gary Joe Kinne's resume that he worked 5 years for Todd Graham. It looks like he was struggling to make it in Pro football at quarterback mostly at Philadelphia and his only official gigs seem to be SMU, Arkansas and the Eagles. One thing we have is a former quarterback who even tried playing wide receiver for the Eagles coaching the UH quarterbacks and managing the offense. I would guess by his attempts to make the big show that he will be trying to win games to further his career.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._J._Kinne

Did someone say he worked 5 years under Graham?

A first time OC. I think Kinne was OC for 1 game in college and that's it. Much different when you have to actually talk to the players and explain your system. We'll see how he communicates with the players. Phillips is another one, only an "analyst", fancy name for Gofer. But, Phillips did coach 2 years in Texas HS before getting this gig, before that a 5 year "analyst" for Graham at ASU. Coaching in Hawaii isn't just coaching. We'll see rookie growing pains and mistakes when the team has to travel.

My mistake apparently changed from Kinne to Phillips. I still put my money on Kinne over Smith/Stutz.

[Irse]

Did someone say he worked 5 years under Graham?

A first time OC. I think Kinne was OC for 1 game in college and that's it. Much different when you have to actually talk to the players and explain your system. We'll see how he communicates with the players. Phillips is another one, only an "analyst", fancy name for Gofer. But, Phillips did coach 2 years in Texas HS before getting this gig, before that a 5 year "analyst" for Graham at ASU. Coaching in Hawaii isn't just coaching. We'll see rookie growing pains and mistakes when the team has to travel.

My mistake apparently changed from Kinne to Phillips. I still put my money on Kinne over Smith/Stutz.

Definitely. I like that he learned under Pederson. Great coach.

[RedZone]

I think he'll be a fine OC. Learned under Doug Pederson too. Who I think is one of the better NFL coaches.

Only one season as a coach with offensive projects (whatever that is). And the OC and the wide receivers coach at Philly was fired by Pederson.

[stranger_808]

gophers learn a lot from the top men in the business. That's why you want to be a gopher. The same applies for other major businesses. At a fortunes 100 companies you vie to be an AA to executives. Yes, you are a gopher but you get to see how decisions are made and implemented.

This is very true, but not what I was saying is my previous post. Not at all saying they can't be a good/great coach, almost everyone starts at the bottom in the coaching profession. But, a gofer, is what it is. Very limited to no "hands on" coaching experience. There will be growing pains. It is what it is.

[stranger_808]

I must have missed it, but does anyone know what offense Graham will be running? I hope it's the RnS with a sprinkle of RPO.

[Irse]

I must have missed it, but does anyone know what offense Graham will be running? I hope it's the RnS with a sprinkle of RPO.

Considering that none of the coaches have a history with the RnS, I doubt much of that will be run. It looks to be a 4 wide offense since we have no TEs and did not recruit any. Can't be two backs because we only have three on the roster. So will probably be a hybrid AIr Raid/RnS with very little RnS.

[shrek2]

I must have missed it, but does anyone know what offense Graham will be running? I hope it's the RnS with a sprinkle of RPO.

Considering that none of the coaches have a history with the RnS, I doubt much of that will be run. It looks to be a 4 wide offense since we have no TEs and did not recruit any. Can't be two backs because we only have three on the roster. So will probably be a hybrid AIr Raid/RnS with very little RnS.

Wasn't there more blocking under JJ than Rolo by the WR? Seems like the intention is to find WR that can not only catch the ball but block for the other receivers as well as running backs catching the screen. I think, based on the WR's recruited, they should be more physical than the ones that graduated this year.

[wilderstreet]

I must have missed it, but does anyone know what offense Graham will be running? I hope it's the RnS with a sprinkle of RPO.

Gofer offense.

[TheDuke]

I must have missed it, but does anyone know what offense Graham will be running? I hope it's the RnS with a sprinkle of RPO.

Considering that none of the coaches have a history with the RnS, I doubt much of that will be run. It looks to be a 4 wide offense since we have no TEs and did not recruit any. Can't be two backs because we only have three on the roster. So will probably be a hybrid AIr Raid/RnS with very little RnS.

The returning receivers and the QBs all have experience and can execute the R&S. The new OC just needs to spend time with them and know when to call an R&S play. Calling a R&S play won't be an issue. Smart coaches take advantage of what works and can be executed. Young OCs that love football will get it and use it to their advantage. And they can build their schemes and what works for them around it. My gut sya that this is a smart, hard working, young OC and as QB he knows how to win.

[Irse]

I must have missed it, but does anyone know what offense Graham will be running? I hope it's the RnS with a sprinkle of RPO.

Considering that none of the coaches have a history with the RnS, I doubt much of that will be run. It looks to be a 4 wide offense since we have no TEs and did not recruit any. Can't be two backs because we only have three on the roster. So will probably be a hybrid AIr Raid/RnS with very little RnS.

The returning receivers and the QBs all have experience and can execute the R&S. The new OC just needs to spend time with them and know when to call an R&S play. Calling a R&S play won't be an issue. Smart coaches take advantage of what works and can be executed. Young OCs that love football will get it and use it to their advantage. And they can build their schemes and what works for them around it. My gut sya that this is a smart, hard working, young OC and as QB he knows how to win.

The offense is a lot more complicated than that. Even after being in the system for a few years, WR and QBs in JJ's system were still doing it wrong. Sometimes they started running off the wrong foot or made their cuts off the wrong foot. Or made the wrong reads. And it's not only the QB and receivers but the blocking schemes too.

[sarvicdar]

What I can say about Kinne is that he's seen a lot of football, mostly as a player at Tulsa and later as a practice player in the NFL (2012-2015) and then
as a GA, analyst, and offensive special projects for SMU, Arkansas and Philidelphia Eagles. As a player at Tulsa, he demonstrated his leadership
by being a 3-time team captain and having the skillset at QB by being named 2010 Offensive Player of the Year. But aside from being rich of who he is, what he's seen, where he's been, and who he's been around, he's actually poor at having the hands-on experience as an OC/QB coach. However, what I see that is working in Kinne's favor is that he has some good foundation that he's walking on (including his father that was a longtime HS coach in Texas) and his willingness to learn and be a student of the game. Plus having a boss (Graham) that has an eye of not picking fruit to end up rotting, and whom also has a track record of picking assistance that highly succeeds.