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EITSwarrior wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:52 pm
wailukuwarriorfan wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:01 am
EITSwarrior wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 9:43 am

Let it go dude. Go eat some poi.
Agree with Poidog. We were playing for the MW conference championship, go for the first down then slide.

I also thought the refs were paid off to call the game in favor of Boise. It was obvious on the offsides on their DE that was not called. We were playing against the Refs too, again.
Yeah go for first down and get blasted like Colt was against Fresno. Then we’d be SOL.
Yup, 9 yards instead of 10 is not a big deal on first down. It's getting that TD that seems to be a problem. No real plan to score against BYU in the red zone either. For that matter, they don't have an answer to their big LBs in our passing game.
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EITSwarrior wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:52 pm

Yeah go for first down and get blasted like Colt was against Fresno. Then we’d be SOL.
Colt B?

I'll use this time to point out again, how good Tyler Graunke was. He can tell his kids on how he threw for the TD in the Sugar Bowl. There are lots of raw deal in life. Starting QB was his...

If Cole gets hurt, there is CC no?

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cabanalane wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:41 pm
EITSwarrior wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:52 pm

Yeah go for first down and get blasted like Colt was against Fresno. Then we’d be SOL.
Colt B?

I'll use this time to point out again, how good Tyler Graunke was. He can tell his kids on how he threw for the TD in the Sugar Bowl. There are lots of raw deal in life. Starting QB was his...

If Cole gets hurt, there is CC no?
Yes CC is there, but for whatever reason he didn’t play. So I’m gonna assume he wasn’t available.

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One of the differences between Hawaii and Boise is that their HC uses a 128 piece tool set and doesn't speak out of the side of his mouth. Hawaii has a starter kit (at times). From fall camp Rolo said he needs to get his RB"s involved in the passing game. That turned out to be a contradiction. Boise's offense hits from all angles and has a good poker face. There's desceit and disguise. Hawaii's, what I'm seeing now, is easy to read and defend by good defenses. End arounds? Passes to the running back? Non-existent. Hawaii"s OC? Non-existent. Can Smith get the offense in sync, in cadence, fast developing? Obviously not after watching the offense against Boise having 4 false starts, and the handoffs continiously to the RB straight up the middle with never a forethought to use the RB to attack the perimeter, or run the slots on inside reverses (the irony being it's been a successful play). That 4th and 1 that Boise stopped at the one foot line begs to have a sixth linemen on the offensive line however that egg only hatched in the spring game. It was disappointing to see the balloon pop, especially after seeing the D force a punt on Boise's first possesion then see the offense have some productivity and score 3. All of which begs for Rolo and the offense and defense to have a hammar but that would only be a lost dream. After watching #99 have two stellar plays, completely destroying the double team of Boise's all league O-line , he's in the platoon of musical chairs of which makes no sense. That is ridiculous. Any other school #99 would be getting his reps and developing his play. With Hawaii he's on the bottom of the tool set.

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st808 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:58 am boise state pays its head coach $1,100,000.00 base salary, not including bonuses. idaho tax payers subsidize boise state football by $12,000,000.00 each year.

byu, a private school, is estimated to pay its football coach $1,500,000.00 which includes incentive pay.

that is what hawaii's warrior football program really is competing against. if a school is going to pay its football coach millions of dollars, that school is investing in supporting recruiting, training facilities, meals, fitness and soap in the showers. hawaii needs to bump up its recruiting budget if continuing to compete against the boise states and byus is to become a reality.

go warriors. beat byu.

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Jim Harbaugh at Michigan gets paid twice as much as Ed Orgeron over at LSU. Orgeron's assistant head coach and defensive coordinator is our own, former Dave Aranda. Boise State had had success long before it could pay its head coaches decent money. UCF is another juggernaut which succeeds no matter which head coach guides it. $600K + + + isn't that bad for a first time head coach.

BYU simply has too much money and power. Still, Kalani Sitake is high up on the coaches' hot seat with a 7-5 record this year and a 27-24 record over-all. BYU pays him 2Mill to under-perform. The same could be said of SMU whom our own savior, former head coach, June Jones, could not revive from the dead for $2mill a year....but a ragamuffin head coach like Sonny Dykes could for $3mill a year.

Rolovich has always been my choice as successor to McMackin. Still, it is a work in progress.

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Link Also...Hawaii has always been disregarded by the powers that be. Check all the miss-calls by refs in the last Championship game with Boise.

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sarvicdar wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:56 pm One of the differences between Hawaii and Boise is that their HC uses a 128 piece tool set and doesn't speak out of the side of his mouth. Hawaii has a starter kit (at times). From fall camp Rolo said he needs to get his RB"s involved in the passing game. That turned out to be a contradiction. Boise's offense hits from all angles and has a good poker face. There's desceit and disguise. Hawaii's, what I'm seeing now, is easy to read and defend by good defenses. End arounds? Passes to the running back? Non-existent. Hawaii"s OC? Non-existent. Can Smith get the offense in sync, in cadence, fast developing? Obviously not after watching the offense against Boise having 4 false starts, and the handoffs continiously to the RB straight up the middle with never a forethought to use the RB to attack the perimeter, or run the slots on inside reverses (the irony being it's been a successful play). That 4th and 1 that Boise stopped at the one foot line begs to have a sixth linemen on the offensive line however that egg only hatched in the spring game. It was disappointing to see the balloon pop, especially after seeing the D force a punt on Boise's first possesion then see the offense have some productivity and score 3. All of which begs for Rolo and the offense and defense to have a hammar but that would only be a lost dream. After watching #99 have two stellar plays, completely destroying the double team of Boise's all league O-line , he's in the platoon of musical chairs of which makes no sense. That is ridiculous. Any other school #99 would be getting his reps and developing his play. With Hawaii he's on the bottom of the tool set.
Agree. You have to use everyone on offense. If your RB is a blocker on 3rd down and the D is rushing 3 and dropping eight and there is no one to block why is he just standing around looking for someone to block. If there is no one to block release as a safety valve. Having a RB standing around is eliminating 10% of your offensive personnel, Now you are playing 11 defenders on 10 offensive player. You have to have 11 players contributing on every down.

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SundayJam wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:57 pm
st808 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:58 am boise state pays its head coach $1,100,000.00 base salary, not including bonuses. idaho tax payers subsidize boise state football by $12,000,000.00 each year.

byu, a private school, is estimated to pay its football coach $1,500,000.00 which includes incentive pay.

that is what hawaii's warrior football program really is competing against. if a school is going to pay its football coach millions of dollars, that school is investing in supporting recruiting, training facilities, meals, fitness and soap in the showers. hawaii needs to bump up its recruiting budget if continuing to compete against the boise states and byus is to become a reality.

go warriors. beat byu.

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

Jim Harbaugh at Michigan gets paid twice as much as Ed Orgeron over at LSU. Orgeron's assistant head coach and defensive coordinator is our own, former Dave Aranda. Boise State had had success long before it could pay its head coaches decent money. UCF is another juggernaut which succeeds no matter which head coach guides it. $600K + + + isn't that bad for a first time head coach.

BYU simply has too much money and power. Still, Kalani Sitake is high up on the coaches' hot seat with a 7-5 record this year and a 27-24 record over-all. BYU pays him 2Mill to under-perform. The same could be said of SMU whom our own savior, former head coach, June Jones, could not revive from the dead for $2mill a year....but a ragamuffin head coach like Sonny Dykes could for $3mill a year.

Rolovich has always been my choice as successor to McMackin. Still, it is a work in progress.
I agree about Rolo being a work in progress. Also, if you come to Hawaii to become a millionaire, it's not going to happen. Quality of life baby. Go hiking up in the Koolaus, go Valley hiking in Manoa Valley see the frogs, go opihi picking in Maui (secret location), go surfing out at Aina Haina, if you got the right friends go boating at night off of Waikiki, go night torching... You can't do that in Vegas or Provo or Colorado or California. People are also more accepting of you in Hawaii despite whatever shortcomings you might have. Aloha baby. That's what its called.

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For us peasants, one has to decide if we want to stay in Hawaii, and move to the mainland for better paying job, to buy a house, etc. In some way, that's sort of the basics. At least basics to provide for your family. Many had to leave Hawaii because of "need."

Rolo (and others) are in a different boat. At the current $600K, he is not hungry. Can he make more? Yes, no doubt. Does he need to?

I know a few "rich" people in Hawaii that don't need to go anywhere. They sold that Manoa house from Grandma who past away, and now live in Ewa Beach. Life is good, no? New house, big cash down, lower payments, stash the rest, working in a good job. Life is good.

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BigWave96744 wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:48 pm After taking 3 points off the scoreboard, it all went down hill. 3 trips to the redzone, 3 points. Winnable game oh well hope the heck they don't go to the Las Vegas Bowl. Who the heck cares about cheering for BYU or UCF
I'm glad they went for the TDs. We needed TDs, not FGs. Unfortunate that they did not convert but it wasn't going to be a FG kicking cntest.
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When you can only muster 14 offensive points against both UNLV and San Diego St, you take what ever points you can get. Our offensive play calling in recent years struggles in the red zone, going for it on 4th and goal and coming up empty is becoming a common thing. It demoralized your team and swings momentum to the other team.

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BigWave96744 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:14 am When you can only muster 14 offensive points against both UNLV and San Diego St, you take what ever points you can get. Our offensive play calling in recent years struggles in the red zone, going for it on 4th and goal and coming up empty is becoming a common thing. It demoralized your team and swings momentum to the other team.
Kicking a FG from the opponents 1 also demoralizes a team and gives the opponents momentum. FGs were not going to win the game. Might as well go for it all. We had nothing to lose. If we make the FG, we were going to lose anyways. It's not the FG's would have been a game changer where Boise would have gotten scared and changed their game plan. I'm glad they went for it.

But on a side note, I was hoping Rolo would install a jumbo package with 2 more OL and Furuta as a lead back. It would catch a team by surprise the first time we run it and we probably would score.
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EITSwarrior wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:52 pm
Yeah go for first down and get blasted like Colt was against Fresno. Then we’d be SOL.
Isn't this Warrior football? Playing for the Mountain West Conference Championship title?

Oh, yah, that's right, our 6'-4", 220 lb QB might have gotten hurt going for a first down.

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Irse wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:44 am
BigWave96744 wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:14 am When you can only muster 14 offensive points against both UNLV and San Diego St, you take what ever points you can get. Our offensive play calling in recent years struggles in the red zone, going for it on 4th and goal and coming up empty is becoming a common thing. It demoralized your team and swings momentum to the other team.
Kicking a FG from the opponents 1 also demoralizes a team and gives the opponents momentum. FGs were not going to win the game. Might as well go for it all. We had nothing to lose. If we make the FG, we were going to lose anyways. It's not the FG's would have been a game changer where Boise would have gotten scared and changed their game plan. I'm glad they went for it.
We wouldn't be kicking from the 1, the FG was already made and it was 6-3.

At that point in the game how does anyone know you were going to lose anyway?

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EITSwarrior wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:52 pm Yeah go for first down and get blasted like Colt was against Fresno. Then we’d be SOL.
oh you mean we would have lost the game by like 3 touchdowns or something?

Cole McDonald is a 6'4" physical specimen. 2007 Colt Brennan was not even 2006 Colt Brennan, physically.

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