THE OFFICIAL SH THREAD of ALL Possible Conference Expansions

[madeinhawaii]

I think that the UH managers are either oblivious to "the gold mine" as you put it or just happy as can be with the status quo. Something tells me: both is true. And if it's true, it shows and it's pretty darn pathetic.

I think that certainly was the case.. but change is around the corner ... JD and the coaches are more pro-active. With the appointment of Keith Amemiya as interim executive administrator and secretary of the Board of Regents for one year, effective March 8, I think we may see changes implemented in the near future. UH needs some mover and shakers in the BOR.. certainly not the typical members who simply do not rock the boat and collect fat paychecks.

[WA Warrior]

I think that the UH managers are either oblivious to "the gold mine" as you put it or just happy as can be with the status quo. Something tells me: both is true. And if it's true, it shows and it's pretty darn pathetic.

I think that certainly was the case.. but change is around the corner ... JD and the coaches are more pro-active. With the appointment of Keith Amemiya as interim executive administrator and secretary of the Board of Regents for one year, effective March 8, I think we may see changes implemented in the near future. UH needs some mover and shakers in the BOR.. certainly not the typical members who simply do not rock the boat and collect fat paychecks.

I hope that's the case, and as far as UH needing mover and shakers, that's why I referred to the UH top brass as managers, cause they sure as heck aren't leaders.

[uhwarrior23]

The Western Athletic Conference Board of Directors has scheduled a call today and signs increasingly point to the unlikelihood expansion will take place in time to add a school for the 2011-12 school year.

WAC commissioner Karl Benson confirmed the conference call but declined comment on whether any offers might be made.

It will be at least the third time the board, which is composed of presidents and chancellors of the member institutions, has met since Boise State's June 11 announcement of plans to join the Mountain West for the 2011-12 school year, when the WAC will be left with eight members.

Because most conferences have a July 1 or Aug. 1 deadline for moving to another league for 2011-12, any WAC offer to a school from another conference would have to come soon.

North Texas, the most likely candidate among current Football Bowl Series (formerly known as Division I-A) members, is a member of the Sun Belt Conference, which has a July 1 deadline.

UNT athletic director Rick Villareal said the school will hire a consultant to study the Mean Green's athletic program and make recommendations about its future before considering any moves.

A UNT spokesman said it could be "a couple of months" before a study is undertaken.

UNT, which is in Denton, Texas, about 40 miles north of Dallas, has been a member of the Sun Belt since 2001. It turned down an overture from the WAC in 2004, when it was hoping for a bid from Conference USA.

UNT is in the midst of a $100 million facilities improvement, including a new 30,000 seat stadium scheduled to open in 2011.

Meanwhile, several other often-mentioned possibilities, including Montana, Texas State (San Marcos), Sacramento State, UC Davis and Portland State, are currently members of the Football Championship Subdivision (formerly known as Division I-AA) and subject to an NCAA moratorium on moves to FBS status until 2011. The process would require at least two years and none have so far stated an intention to change membership.

Benson said, "We still have a solid core of eight schools and are being very prudent. The WAC is not in a panic mode at all. This was one member leaving. Granted Boise State's (football) success provided credibility to the WAC, but we continue to have a great foundation."

http://www.staradvertiser.com/sports/20 ... ikely.html

[wyokie]

Found this on another board. ROFLOL

[HawaiianHogster]

http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/Dickey ... 38474.html

SAN FRANCISCO — The expansion of the Pac-10 Conference to include Colorado and Utah is not set in stone. It’s meeting some strong opposition, most notably from former UCLA chancellor Chuck Young, who is still on the Knight’s Commission for intercollegiate athletics.

Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”


Scott’s original idea was to entice Texas to bolt from the Big 12 and lead other Texas and Oklahoma schools into a separate wing of what would be the “Pac-16.” But, Texas had no incentive to leave the Big 12. It was only using the Pac-10 as a bargaining tool with the Big 12.

Now, the Pac-10 is left with the worst of two worlds. Adding Utah and Colorado will do nothing to enhance its TV viability. Figuring added travel costs, “It may be a net loss,” Young said.

The chancellors and presidents still have to give final approval. Let’s hope they stop this freight train in its tracks.


Hawaii will never be added to this conference if their worried about travel cost to Colorado and Utah. You never know. They will have to travel if they expand up to 16 teams. UCLA is so stuck on themselves.

[HawaiianHogster]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5494158


Before the Pac-10 becomes the Pac-12, it will apparently be the Pac-11 for a year.

With negotiations stalled over its departure penalties, Colorado is not planning to leave the Big 12 for the Pac-10 until the 2012-13 season, according to a report from the Boulder Daily Camera.

"That is our plan and that is what we are working on," athletic director Mike Bohn told the Camera on Tuesday.

Utah will join the Pac-10 in 2011.

While Colorado has officially been scheduled to leave the Big 12 in 2012, per its announcement of changing conference affiliation in June, it was considered likely the Buffaloes would negotiate an early departure that would coincide with Nebraska's leaving the Big 12 for the Big Ten.

It appears that Colorado and the Big 12 haven't been able to come to terms over how much the school would pay in departure penalties. Instead of forfeiting millions -- between $9 million and $14.5 million in conference distributions, according to the newspaper -- Colorado would remain in an 11-team Big 12 for one more season.

[HawaiianHogster]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5490686


COLUMBIA, Mo. -- Count college sports among the sagging economy's latest victims.

A newly released NCAA report shows that just 14 of the 120 Football Bowl Subdivision schools made money from campus athletics in the 2009 fiscal year, down from 25 the year before.

Researchers blame the sagging economy and suggested that next year's numbers could be even worse.

The research was done by accounting professor Dan Fulks of Transylvania University, a Division III school in Lexington, Ky. It shows the median amount paid by the 120 FBS schools to support campus athletics grew in one year from about $8 million to more than $10 million.

The NCAA doesn't release individual schools' revenues and expenses. But Fulks confirmed that Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, Texas and Tennessee are among the select group that made money. So is Missouri, which reported generating $2 million in profits from campus athletics in 2009.

Sixty-eight FBS schools reported turning a profit on football, with a median value of $8.8 million. The 52 FBS schools that lost money on football reported median losses of $2.7 million.

The fiscal fortunes of major college athletic programs without football teams were even worse. None of the 97 schools in that category reported making money from athletics, with median losses of more than $2.8 million.

Fulks pointed out that many schools funnel profits from football and men's basketball -- which for the top schools can mean millions in Bowl Championship Series payments and NCAA tournament payments -- into lower-profile sports that can't rely on season ticket plans, TV packages and well-heeled donors.

More teams generally means larger subsidies from the school.

"Football and men's basketball are the only two sports you have any chance of making money," he said. "If you start splitting that up between 30 or 40 sports, you start losing money."

[uhwarriors]

Very interesting analysis by a USU writer which basically says it's all in BYU's hands right now.

http://www.deseretnews.com/blog/25/1000 ... -fans.html

[couz808]

Very interesting analysis by a USU writer which basically says it's all in BYU's hands right now.

http://www.deseretnews.com/blog/25/1000 ... -fans.html

I like this option the best!

3: BYU and ESPN take over. If BYU does not get what it wants from the MWC, it partners with ESPN to form a new western conference that sheds the deadweight of The mtn. all together. Based on the language in the WAC/BYU Memorandum of Understanding, we know BYU and ESPN were already working on a television deal. The new conference, under ESPN's direction and with BYU's influence, would include BYU, Boise State, UNLV, San Diego State, TCU, New Mexico, Air Force and Utah State (if the theory that BYU and USU are surprisingly buddy-buddy on this is true). While an automatic berth in the NCAA basketball tournament would not be secure, it would not be an issue because that is one strong basketball conference. If this new conference wanted to be 10 teams, the other two would come from an mixture of WAC/MWC/C-USA schools such as Wyoming, Colorado State, Hawaii (ESPN and many schools covet games on that island), UTEP or Houston.

[oldhawaiiguy]

Maybe nothing further will happen in 2010. It seems BYU's in charge of the next move.

[BigWave96744]

Colorado cutting its losses, chooses to remain in Big 12 two more seasons
August 26th, 2010 6:30 pm ET.
The University of Colorado, which announced earlier this summer that it was leaving the Big 12 Conference to join the Pac 10 Conference, has decided to remain affiliated with the Big 12 for two more seasons.

With the University of Nebraska leaving for the Big Ten after the 2010-11 season, this means the Big 12 will go from 12 to 11 member schools in 2011 before becoming a 10-team conference in 2012.

A source close to Colorado school officials said the school decided to remain in the Big 12 an extra year for financial reasons. Colorado and the Big 12 have not reached an agreement on how much of the conference-generated revenue (income paid to the school from television contracts, bowl games and NCAA basketball tournament games) would be withheld from the Buffaloes as a penalty for its planned disaffiliation from the Big 12, the source said.

http://www.examiner.com/big-12-in-natio ... re-seasons

[HawaiianHogster]

DENVER (AP) The Western Athletic Conference is demanding a $5 million exit fee by Oct. 25 from Fresno State and Nevada, which are bolting to the Mountain West Conference.

WAC commissioner Karl Benson said the league would sue the universities if they don't pay up. He also said the league won't let the schools leave until after the 2011-12 season.

Fresno State and Nevada were informed of the WAC's hardline stance by letter on Friday. The schools announced Aug. 18 they would join the MWC. Because they didn't announce their decisions prior to a June 30 deadline required by WAC bylaws, neither school can leave for two years unless the league agrees to an early exit.

Benson said that by leaving before 2012, Fresno State and Nevada would cost each of the remaining WAC schools - Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Utah State - $2 million or more.

http://scoreboard.rr.com/sports.asp?sport=CFB

[tavarua88]

Just saw on crawler, BYU going indy for football and WCC for other sports:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5517305