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Kaimuki just forfeited their season opener against Radford, citing low roster numbers. They may have struggled to reach the 25 player recommended minimum set forth by the OIA. I wonder if it was due to academic reasons, some players not getting vaccinated to be eligible to play, etc.

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Doubt it was academics as that probation usually is over with before the end of August. The OIA football coordinator was quoted in the StarAdvertiser to the effect that Kaimuki will have a football team but that the player numbers weren’t at the 25 player recommended minimum for this week only.

It seems Iolani may have scheduled a game with Radford during the Rams open date in December shortly before the state playoffs begin. I’m glad Radford filled it by getting an opponent from D-I as the Rams are D-II. Make it a challenge.

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unpaid wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:01 am Speed.Kamehameha’s speed on defense is good enough to give St.Louis’ OL problems protecting the QB. See first STL-KSK game.

Coaching. OC Borengasser has Kamehameha scoring on offense at a much improved pace. DC Wright is good at adjustments.
See first STL-KSK game.

Penalties. They are in STL’s DNA. When the Crusaders are in a close game,they revert to type...get physical.Except the players don’t seem to me to be able to control the aggression which in turn leads to the penalty yardage. If you take the yardage STL gets on offense and subtract the penalty yardage from the offensive yardage,then you see how much STL hurts themselves by penalties. Play aggressive but smarter on defense. See first STL-KSK game.

STL isn’t blowing out opponents,so penalties are critical for this 2021 version of the Crusaders.

In a close game,the breaks might go STL’s way this week. If KSK loses this week,I think it actually would spur KSK’s OC and DC to plan for the ILH championship game,of course,not forgetting they would have to get past No.3 seed Punahou first. If Kamehameha wins,then they get the bye into the championship game and two weeks of uninterrupted planning and practice against either Punahou or St.Louis.

In the long run,I like Kamehameha’s chances of advancing to states.
@unpaid: Thanks for responding.

I didn't know that Kamehameha's D was quick. I know they had a quick D in '13, but I didn't know they were quick this year. I did know that St Louis' O-line was slow, and that slowness was one reason they got blown-out by Bishop Gorman. But, though St Louis' O-line is slow, they're also thick. (Which is why they're slow, I guess.)

It amazes me that Kamehameha has a coaching advantage. Not to say that Kamehameha's coaching sucks; I'm respecting HC Maafala more and more as the season wears on. But, St Louis for some time has set the gold standard for coaching. I mean, when you have guys like the Lee brothers and Passas (is he still there?), that's quite a combo.

If St Louis sucks in terms of penalties, I think Kamehameha is just as bad, and has been for years. They've had a penalty problem since at least the late-'80s, if not earlier. Having said that, I also think Kamehameha is just as physical as St Louis, especially on O. After all, Kamehameha has traditionally been a run-oriented school, and you know how physical smashmouth football is.

I still have a bad feeling that St Louis will win, and it's all about their pass game. To make matters worse, QB Bianco seems to be improving with each game. (I say, "bad" and "worse" because I'd like to see Kamehameha win.) If Kamehameha is going to win, I think their defensive front-seven need to get super-physical with Bianco: Kick his butt, make him pay, make him see stars, get in his head.

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gopunahou wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:22 am One thing favoring St. Louis is the fact that they heavily outgained KSK but lost because of the turnovers. Should that happen again, Kamehameha will need at least two turnovers and none themselves. They'll also need their receivers to catch the type of balls they caught against us (when they were in 3rd-and-long situations but managed to convert and wind up scoring TDs).
@gopunahou: Yes. St Louis' O racks-up huge yardage, most of it through the air, of course. Yes, Kamehameha beat them the last time, but only by two points. And, they needed four St Louis turnovers and a huge 4th-down sack on St Louis' last possession, to win. Kamehameha's pass game needs to improve. QB Ah Yat needs to see all his receivers, go through his progression. More than a few times, Kamehameha had a receiver running wide-open, and Ah Yat threw to a receiver who was tightly covered, resulting in an incompletion. If Kamehameha for once had the kind of QBs St Louis often does, they would have been undefeated in the ILH at this point.

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ChadFukuoka wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:12 pm Kaimuki just forfeited their season opener against Radford, citing low roster numbers. They may have struggled to reach the 25 player recommended minimum set forth by the OIA. I wonder if it was due to academic reasons, some players not getting vaccinated to be eligible to play, etc.
@ChadFukuoka: If it was a matter of not getting vaccinated, I'm assuming it's the parents who are to blame. I mean, if your kid wants to play football but you say he can't get the vax, why, you're an anti-vaxxer. It has to be the parents, right? What kid wouldn't get the vax to play, if it were up to him? Another likely reason: Academics. I know of an OIA school, which shall go unnamed, that has--or, would have had--a decent-sized O-line, but several of the linemen are out due to grades. Finally, Kaimuki High has a small enrollment, and has had that for at least five years now.

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unpaid wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:43 pm Doubt it was academics as that probation usually is over with before the end of August. The OIA football coordinator was quoted in the StarAdvertiser to the effect that Kaimuki will have a football team but that the player numbers weren’t at the 25 player recommended minimum for this week only.

It seems Iolani may have scheduled a game with Radford during the Rams open date in December shortly before the state playoffs begin. I’m glad Radford filled it by getting an opponent from D-I as the Rams are D-II. Make it a challenge.
@unpaid: No; I know of one OIA school that still has players out due to academics, and it has decimated their O-line, in particular.

Radford High is going to get pounded. I'd like to see Iolani School take-on a D1 school with a kick-butt D-line. I dare them. I don't particularly care for that school, is why.

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Word is Kaimuki has half their team waiting to hear about their vax exemptions from DOE. DOE dragging their feet on purpose to force then to get the vax.

Iolani playing Kailua at end of month, not sure how big their line is but don't they usually have a bunch of phat asses? (sorry I just don't like cry-lua)

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OldManJenkins wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:51 pm Word is Kaimuki has half their team waiting to hear about their vax exemptions from DOE. DOE dragging their feet on purpose to force then to get the vax.

Iolani playing Kailua at end of month, not sure how big their line is but don't they usually have a bunch of phat asses?
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Well, I realize that you might be an anti-vaxxer (and I don't mean that in a hostile or insulting tone; I respect your views), so, I want to tread carefully here. Full disclosure: I'm very much pro-vax, so if the DOE is trying to get as many teens vaccinated as possible, well, I support that. But, I don't in any way condemn you if you disagree; we can agree to disagree. Obviously we both have at least one thing in common: We both are hooked on high school sports.

Hilarious about Kailua High's O-lines! Yeah, Kailua High is very similar to Farrington High in that both schools almost always have thick O-lines, almost every year. What I suspect is that Kailua High's steady diet of thick O-linemen comes mostly from Waimanalo. Waimanalo has thick boys, man. I suspect Farrington High's steady diet of thick O-linemen comes mostly from KPT and Kam IV; those projects usually have even thicker boys than Waimanalo. But, honestly, your last sentence is hilarious.

I give Iolani credit for scheduling Kailua. Again, Kailua High usually has thick linemen, while Iolani School usually doesn't. I have no idea what Kailua's O-line looks like this year, but I'm quite certain they'll be big enough to overpower Iolani's D-line. If Iolani's O-line is undersized, I'd like to assume that their D-line is even smaller. Two or three years ago, Iolani's D-line was actually bigger than their O-line, which is crazy. I guess Iolani HC Look valued speed over size on his O-line. Anyway, this year, I'd imagine Kailua will elect to simply run the ball down Iolani's throat. That not only utilizes Kailua's size advantage on the O-line, but a run-game eats lots of clock, which keeps Iolani's potent O riding the bench longer. Though I don't care for Iolani School, it's only fair to give them credit for taking-on a school that usually has big boys in the trenches. If Iolani School deserves credit, then they should get it.

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HS Football Fanatic wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:58 pm
ChadFukuoka wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:12 pm Kaimuki just forfeited their season opener against Radford, citing low roster numbers. They may have struggled to reach the 25 player recommended minimum set forth by the OIA. I wonder if it was due to academic reasons, some players not getting vaccinated to be eligible to play, etc.
@ChadFukuoka: If it was a matter of not getting vaccinated, I'm assuming it's the parents who are to blame. I mean, if your kid wants to play football but you say he can't get the vax, why, you're an anti-vaxxer. It has to be the parents, right? What kid wouldn't get the vax to play, if it were up to him? Another likely reason: Academics. I know of an OIA school, which shall go unnamed, that has--or, would have had--a decent-sized O-line, but several of the linemen are out due to grades. Finally, Kaimuki High has a small enrollment, and has had that for at least five years now.
I think Kaimuki, Waialua, and Kalaheo have the lowest enrollments out of all Oahu high schools. Nanakuli is probably one of the lowest as well.

It’s nice for Kalaheo alumni that the school hasn’t been merged with either Castle or Kailua. At least with the others, Kaimuki serves the Waikiki/Kaimuki areas, Waialua serves the Haleiwa/Waialua areas, and Nanakuli is a big enough geographical area that they should have their own district. I think Kalaheo is the only public high school on Oahu that might someday be at risk of shutting down if enrollment drops down enough. The others are in areas that are kind of far to go the school next door. Especially since there are several elementary schools and either one or two middle schools that feed into a high school.

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ChadFukuoka wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:54 pm
HS Football Fanatic wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:58 pm
ChadFukuoka wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:12 pm Kaimuki just forfeited their season opener against Radford, citing low roster numbers. They may have struggled to reach the 25 player recommended minimum set forth by the OIA. I wonder if it was due to academic reasons, some players not getting vaccinated to be eligible to play, etc.
@ChadFukuoka: If it was a matter of not getting vaccinated, I'm assuming it's the parents who are to blame. I mean, if your kid wants to play football but you say he can't get the vax, why, you're an anti-vaxxer. It has to be the parents, right? What kid wouldn't get the vax to play, if it were up to him? Another likely reason: Academics. I know of an OIA school, which shall go unnamed, that has--or, would have had--a decent-sized O-line, but several of the linemen are out due to grades. Finally, Kaimuki High has a small enrollment, and has had that for at least five years now.
I think Kaimuki, Waialua, and Kalaheo have the lowest enrollments out of all Oahu high schools. Nanakuli is probably one of the lowest as well.

It’s nice for Kalaheo alumni that the school hasn’t been merged with either Castle or Kailua. At least with the others, Kaimuki serves the Waikiki/Kaimuki areas, Waialua serves the Haleiwa/Waialua areas, and Nanakuli is a big enough geographical area that they should have their own district. I think Kalaheo is the only public high school on Oahu that might someday be at risk of shutting down if enrollment drops down enough. The others are in areas that are kind of far to go the school next door. Especially since there are several elementary schools and either one or two middle schools that feed into a high school.
Don’t forget Kalani. In the early 2000s, there were rumors that Kalani and Kaimuki would merge.

Speaking of schools with low FB turnouts, I wonder why there hasn’t been a public school version of “Pac-Five.” I don’t think it’d be a disaster.
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gopunahou wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:46 am
ChadFukuoka wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:54 pm
HS Football Fanatic wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:58 pm

@ChadFukuoka: If it was a matter of not getting vaccinated, I'm assuming it's the parents who are to blame. I mean, if your kid wants to play football but you say he can't get the vax, why, you're an anti-vaxxer. It has to be the parents, right? What kid wouldn't get the vax to play, if it were up to him? Another likely reason: Academics. I know of an OIA school, which shall go unnamed, that has--or, would have had--a decent-sized O-line, but several of the linemen are out due to grades. Finally, Kaimuki High has a small enrollment, and has had that for at least five years now.
I think Kaimuki, Waialua, and Kalaheo have the lowest enrollments out of all Oahu high schools. Nanakuli is probably one of the lowest as well.

It’s nice for Kalaheo alumni that the school hasn’t been merged with either Castle or Kailua. At least with the others, Kaimuki serves the Waikiki/Kaimuki areas, Waialua serves the Haleiwa/Waialua areas, and Nanakuli is a big enough geographical area that they should have their own district. I think Kalaheo is the only public high school on Oahu that might someday be at risk of shutting down if enrollment drops down enough. The others are in areas that are kind of far to go the school next door. Especially since there are several elementary schools and either one or two middle schools that feed into a high school.
Don’t forget Kalani. In the early 2000s, there were rumors that Kalani and Kaimuki would merge.

Speaking of schools with low FB turnouts, I wonder why there hasn’t been a public school version of “Pac-Five.” I don’t think it’d be a disaster.
I’m guessing with Kalani, maybe because it’s in a wealthy area, a lot of kids attend private school instead? Kaiser is also in a rich area, but they also have some kids from Waimanalo who go there, instead of Kailua, depending on where they live.

I wonder if fans and alumni would resist the idea of a public school PAC-5 team. For both current students and alumni, they most likely lived in the town that they went to or are attending high school at. There’s a hometown pride factor. They grew up in that town. It might be weird for them to also cheer for players who are attending school in the neighboring district. Where with private schools, kids attend from all over the island, so you don’t have to live in the district.

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HS Football Fanatic wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:59 pm
OldManJenkins wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:51 pm Word is Kaimuki has half their team waiting to hear about their vax exemptions from DOE. DOE dragging their feet on purpose to force then to get the vax.

Iolani playing Kailua at end of month, not sure how big their line is but don't they usually have a bunch of phat asses?
@OldManJenkins:
Well, I realize that you might be an anti-vaxxer (and I don't mean that in a hostile or insulting tone; I respect your views), so, I want to tread carefully here. Full disclosure: I'm very much pro-vax, so if the DOE is trying to get as many teens vaccinated as possible, well, I support that. But, I don't in any way condemn you if you disagree; we can agree to disagree. Obviously we both have at least one thing in common: We both are hooked on high school sports.

Hilarious about Kailua High's O-lines! Yeah, Kailua High is very similar to Farrington High in that both schools almost always have thick O-lines, almost every year. What I suspect is that Kailua High's steady diet of thick O-linemen comes mostly from Waimanalo. Waimanalo has thick boys, man. I suspect Farrington High's steady diet of thick O-linemen comes mostly from KPT and Kam IV; those projects usually have even thicker boys than Waimanalo. But, honestly, your last sentence is hilarious.

I give Iolani credit for scheduling Kailua. Again, Kailua High usually has thick linemen, while Iolani School usually doesn't. I have no idea what Kailua's O-line looks like this year, but I'm quite certain they'll be big enough to overpower Iolani's D-line. If Iolani's O-line is undersized, I'd like to assume that their D-line is even smaller. Two or three years ago, Iolani's D-line was actually bigger than their O-line, which is crazy. I guess Iolani HC Look valued speed over size on his O-line. Anyway, this year, I'd imagine Kailua will elect to simply run the ball down Iolani's throat. That not only utilizes Kailua's size advantage on the O-line, but a run-game eats lots of clock, which keeps Iolani's potent O riding the bench longer. Though I don't care for Iolani School, it's only fair to give them credit for taking-on a school that usually has big boys in the trenches. If Iolani School deserves credit, then they should get it.
@hsfootballfan im not a anti-vaxer, truly believe in the science of the vax but do believe in people's freedom to choose. If you choose no vax then be respectful and wear a mask. As a far as DOE, they should at least give a response either deny or accept. Don't drag it on, that only makes it difficult for the teams as a whole.

I think Iolani's D-line is 205lb, 180 and 160. I think someone mentioned their O a good is 190‽? But definitely going to be interesting if the D can put pressure and the O can give their QB time. He doesn't look like a good scrambler or too durable.

Excited to see the launch of the football season this week! These kids to unleash after a looong wait!

BTW all you guys with all the FB history is pretty cool and makes for great reading.

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ChadFukuoka wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:54 pm
HS Football Fanatic wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:58 pm
ChadFukuoka wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:12 pm Kaimuki just forfeited their season opener against Radford, citing low roster numbers. They may have struggled to reach the 25 player recommended minimum set forth by the OIA. I wonder if it was due to academic reasons, some players not getting vaccinated to be eligible to play, etc.
@ChadFukuoka: If it was a matter of not getting vaccinated, I'm assuming it's the parents who are to blame. I mean, if your kid wants to play football but you say he can't get the vax, why, you're an anti-vaxxer. It has to be the parents, right? What kid wouldn't get the vax to play, if it were up to him? Another likely reason: Academics. I know of an OIA school, which shall go unnamed, that has--or, would have had--a decent-sized O-line, but several of the linemen are out due to grades. Finally, Kaimuki High has a small enrollment, and has had that for at least five years now.
I think Kaimuki, Waialua, and Kalaheo have the lowest enrollments out of all Oahu high schools. Nanakuli is probably one of the lowest as well.

It’s nice for Kalaheo alumni that the school hasn’t been merged with either Castle or Kailua. At least with the others, Kaimuki serves the Waikiki/Kaimuki areas, Waialua serves the Haleiwa/Waialua areas, and Nanakuli is a big enough geographical area that they should have their own district. I think Kalaheo is the only public high school on Oahu that might someday be at risk of shutting down if enrollment drops down enough. The others are in areas that are kind of far to go the school next door. Especially since there are several elementary schools and either one or two middle schools that feed into a high school.
@ChadFukuoka:

Keep in mind that Waialua High and Nanakuli High each also has a middle school merged into it, so you'd have to exclude the middle school enrollment from each school.

I don't think Kalaheo High will ever be killed-off; their alumni wouldn't stand for it. If the governor announced such plans, Kalaheo alumni would pack his office and make it very clear to him (or her; Vicky Cayetano is running for governor) that they will not allow it to happen. It's one thing to kill-off an elementary school; the state killed-off Liliuokalani Elementary back in the early-2000s. But once you start talking about a high school, well, a high school's alumni base is much more fierce than an elementary school's. Part of it is about school spirit. Not too many people take an elementary school's school spirit seriously; after all, some of its students (kindergartners) are barely older than toddlers. But when you're talking about a high school, hey: We all know how fiercely loyal many alumni are to their high schools. Once you start talking about the school spirit of a high school, it gets very real; very visceral. Take gopunahou, for example. Over the years, we've seen how fiercely loyal he is to Punahou School. Could you imagine what would happen if someone tried to kill-off Punahou School, for any reason? He'd be on the warpath, and I'm sure many other Punahou alumni would, too. It doesn't have to be a private school; alumni of public schools can also be fiercely loyal. Like, I know some. I think many if not most guys would take it very seriously if someone tried to kill-off their high school alma mater, private or public.

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gopunahou wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:46 am
ChadFukuoka wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:54 pm
HS Football Fanatic wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:58 pm

@ChadFukuoka: If it was a matter of not getting vaccinated, I'm assuming it's the parents who are to blame. I mean, if your kid wants to play football but you say he can't get the vax, why, you're an anti-vaxxer. It has to be the parents, right? What kid wouldn't get the vax to play, if it were up to him? Another likely reason: Academics. I know of an OIA school, which shall go unnamed, that has--or, would have had--a decent-sized O-line, but several of the linemen are out due to grades. Finally, Kaimuki High has a small enrollment, and has had that for at least five years now.
I think Kaimuki, Waialua, and Kalaheo have the lowest enrollments out of all Oahu high schools. Nanakuli is probably one of the lowest as well.

It’s nice for Kalaheo alumni that the school hasn’t been merged with either Castle or Kailua. At least with the others, Kaimuki serves the Waikiki/Kaimuki areas, Waialua serves the Haleiwa/Waialua areas, and Nanakuli is a big enough geographical area that they should have their own district. I think Kalaheo is the only public high school on Oahu that might someday be at risk of shutting down if enrollment drops down enough. The others are in areas that are kind of far to go the school next door. Especially since there are several elementary schools and either one or two middle schools that feed into a high school.
Don’t forget Kalani. In the early 2000s, there were rumors that Kalani and Kaimuki would merge.

Speaking of schools with low FB turnouts, I wonder why there hasn’t been a public school version of “Pac-Five.” I don’t think it’d be a disaster.
@gopunahou:

Yes; then-Governor Cayetano was considering shutting Kalani High down due to low enrollment. From what I heard, Kalani alumni informed him in no uncertain terms that they didn't intend to allow it to happen. Notice that Kalani High is still around? Also, my understanding is that their enrollment has since grown enough that shutting the school down is no longer considered "necessary".

I doubt we'll see a public school version of Pac-Five. From the very beginning, Pac-Five (originally called Hummers) was designed for private high schools that were always intended to be small. By contrast, public high schools aren't created unless there's a need, population-wise. Of course, over the decades, the population of a public high school's geographic area can go down. Generally, the DOE then re-draws the school's boundaries to cull students from a neighboring high school. That's what happened in Kalani High's case. The DOE expanded Kalani High's boundaries so that students who before would have attended Kaimuki High, now attended Kalani High. Of course, with private high schools, there are no geographic boundaries.
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