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Does anyone think that HS FB here is better when Waianae is contending and winning like Mililani is? The last time Waianae truly fielded a contender was 2000. That was the last time they beat Kahuku and won 10 games. Because they’ve struggled so much for the past 20 years, they remind me of Nebraska in college FB—a once-proud program that’s fallen on hard times for 20 years and can’t seem to find its way back among the elite. I think what Waianae needs is to make other teams fear them again.
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Does anyone think that HS FB here is better when Waianae is contending and winning like Mililani is? The last time Waianae truly fielded a contender was 2000. That was the last time they beat Kahuku and won 10 games. Because they’ve struggled so much for the past 20 years, they remind me of Nebraska in college FB—a once-proud program that’s fallen on hard times for 20 years and can’t seem to find its way back among the elite. I think what Waianae needs is to make other teams fear them again.
@gopunahou: Well, I don't think we can say Hawaii high-school football is better just because one school is contending well. I mean, good God; how many high-school football teams are there in Hawaii? 40? 50? Having said that, though, if we're talking about Waianae High, there are two good signs for that school: 1.) Their JV beat St Louis. That hasn't happened in what, 6 years, when Kahuku's JV beat them? 2.) They have that huge soph RB who piled-up over 200 yds against Kamehameha. He reminds me of St Louis RB Fuamatu-Maafala, who played what, 20 years ago or so? Big and burly, a bowling-ball type. And that Waianae RB is only a soph, and he looks like a C or an NG.

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HS Football Fanatic, you watch college football? Many analysts say that “college football is better when (insert traditional power) is among the elite.” Beano Cook is one example, as he said “college football is better when Miami is a contender.”
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HS Football Fanatic, you watch college football? Many analysts say that “college football is better when (insert traditional power) is among the elite.” Beano Cook is one example, as he said “college football is better when Miami is a contender.”
@gopunahou: I watch UH games; that's about it. I might watch a non-UH game if Stanford is playing; and I watch to see them lose. If they're winning, I stop watching. Now, gopunahou, we've posted to each other for over 5 years on this message-board. You know I don't care for your alma mater, and I do appreciate how graciously you take that. Well then, I hope you don't mind my saying this, but for me, Stanford is the Punahou of college sports. Having said that, I would disagree with Cook's statement. I think it's ridiculous that how one particular college or high-school is doing in a sport, somehow marks a sea change in the level of that sport. I mean, there are dozens of high schools in Hawaii, and hundreds of colleges in the US. As if how Miami is doing, makes a tremendous difference in college football. As if how Waianae is doing, makes a tremendous difference in Hawaii high-school football. No college or high-school is "God." (Not even St Louis School in Hawaii high-school football. If St Louis weren't as good as they are, Punahou would be #1. But that wouldn't change the level of play of Hawaii high-school football generally, as every other school is already doing its best anyway.)

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gopunahou wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Does anyone think that HS FB here is better when Waianae is contending and winning like Mililani is? The last time Waianae truly fielded a contender was 2000. That was the last time they beat Kahuku and won 10 games. Because they’ve struggled so much for the past 20 years, they remind me of Nebraska in college FB—a once-proud program that’s fallen on hard times for 20 years and can’t seem to find its way back among the elite. I think what Waianae needs is to make other teams fear them again.
Rex Manu to Mililani, DeForest Buckner to Punahou, Bam Amina at Mililani geez, also the fact that Kapolei and Campbell recruit the area. Rooted Westside kids need to stay home. I can see going private school but not other OIA schools. Maybe Fanoga can turn the program around. These kids battle poverty and homelessness everyday. They dig deep and sometimes football is the only organization and fellowship they have in their lives. God Bless Waianae.

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gopunahou wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Does anyone think that HS FB here is better when Waianae is contending and winning like Mililani is? The last time Waianae truly fielded a contender was 2000. That was the last time they beat Kahuku and won 10 games. Because they’ve struggled so much for the past 20 years, they remind me of Nebraska in college FB—a once-proud program that’s fallen on hard times for 20 years and can’t seem to find its way back among the elite. I think what Waianae needs is to make other teams fear them again.
I don't feel that way. Sports is an ever changing landscape. For me, it's about parity. Football and sports in general is more enjoyable when there is balance (parity). Since 2000, high school football in Hawaii has more or less had a nice competitiveness. The current system has more parity than in recent memory. It's nice that St Louis gets nationally recognized, but they do have an unfair advantage. Cal Lee has started another vicious cycle of everyone else playing for second best. I'm not bitter (like when I was younger), because I know that it's a cycle, and eventually the field will be a little more even.

What I don't really care for is this open transfer rule that the OIA currently has. It's one thing for a private school to be able to pull kids from all over, it's another thing for this to be allowed at the public school level. I think Mililani more than the ILH schools is creating a competitive problem.

Kahuku will always be Kahuku; meaning that there will be some down years; but there will always be enough talent that stays home to field not only competitive teams, but teams that bring home the Trophy. Most other schools aren't as fortunate (like Waianae or Kapolei).

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Markeke wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:37 am
gopunahou wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Does anyone think that HS FB here is better when Waianae is contending and winning like Mililani is? The last time Waianae truly fielded a contender was 2000. That was the last time they beat Kahuku and won 10 games. Because they’ve struggled so much for the past 20 years, they remind me of Nebraska in college FB—a once-proud program that’s fallen on hard times for 20 years and can’t seem to find its way back among the elite. I think what Waianae needs is to make other teams fear them again.
Rex Manu to Mililani, DeForest Buckner to Punahou, Bam Amina at Mililani geez, also the fact that Kapolei and Campbell recruit the area. Rooted Westside kids need to stay home. I can see going private school but not other OIA schools. Maybe Fanoga can turn the program around. These kids battle poverty and homelessness everyday. They dig deep and sometimes football is the only organization and fellowship they have in their lives. God Bless Waianae.
@Markeke: Well, I suspect most Waianae alumni would like to see all kids in Waianae High's geographic area, stay home. I mean, if you're a Waianae alumnus, why would you want a kid to play for even a private school, when that kid could be playing for your alma mater? Also, Waianae-area kids aren't the only kids battling poverty and homelessness every day. I can think of at least five other parts of the island in which kids are battling those same problems every day. At least five.

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rrforlifebaby wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:10 pm
gopunahou wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Does anyone think that HS FB here is better when Waianae is contending and winning like Mililani is? The last time Waianae truly fielded a contender was 2000. That was the last time they beat Kahuku and won 10 games. Because they’ve struggled so much for the past 20 years, they remind me of Nebraska in college FB—a once-proud program that’s fallen on hard times for 20 years and can’t seem to find its way back among the elite. I think what Waianae needs is to make other teams fear them again.
I don't feel that way. Sports is an ever changing landscape. For me, it's about parity. Football and sports in general is more enjoyable when there is balance (parity). Since 2000, high school football in Hawaii has more or less had a nice competitiveness. The current system has more parity than in recent memory. It's nice that St Louis gets nationally recognized, but they do have an unfair advantage. Cal Lee has started another vicious cycle of everyone else playing for second best. I'm not bitter (like when I was younger), because I know that it's a cycle, and eventually the field will be a little more even.

What I don't really care for is this open transfer rule that the OIA currently has. It's one thing for a private school to be able to pull kids from all over, it's another thing for this to be allowed at the public school level. I think Mililani more than the ILH schools is creating a competitive problem.

Kahuku will always be Kahuku; meaning that there will be some down years; but there will always be enough talent that stays home to field not only competitive teams, but teams that bring home the Trophy. Most other schools aren't as fortunate (like Waianae or Kapolei).

RRFL!!
@rrforlifebaby: Well, I appreciate that for you, it's about parity. But, something tells me that other guys might feel differently. For example, I doubt that most St Louis alumni value parity. I'd imagine that they'd like St Louis School to continue dominating. I think the same could be said for strong OIA schools like your alma mater. I mean, I would imagine that most Kahuku alumni would like their alma mater to continue being a dominant force in the OIA.

Finally, I'm not so sure that Waianae High or Kapolei High "aren't as fortunate." I think both schools have abundant talent every year; Waianae especially. Their JV beat St Louis' JV, something that hasn't happened in about six years. And, Waianae's vars has that huge sophomore RB who racked-up 200+ yds against Kamehameha, and Kamehameha's D is no slouch. Really, I would shed no tears for Waianae and Kapolei. What we might shed tears for are schools like McKinley and Kalaheo; McKinley in particular. Why McKinley High in particular? Because MWH is a gold-mine of football talent, and MWH kids are supposed to go to McKinley High. But, St Louis School raids MWH every year, robbing the Tigers of MWH's best talent. That has been going on for some 35 years. Imagine that. If you're a McKinley alumnus, that sucks.

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HS Football Fanatic wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:51 pm
rrforlifebaby wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:10 pm
gopunahou wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:37 pm
Does anyone think that HS FB here is better when Waianae is contending and winning like Mililani is? The last time Waianae truly fielded a contender was 2000. That was the last time they beat Kahuku and won 10 games. Because they’ve struggled so much for the past 20 years, they remind me of Nebraska in college FB—a once-proud program that’s fallen on hard times for 20 years and can’t seem to find its way back among the elite. I think what Waianae needs is to make other teams fear them again.
I don't feel that way. Sports is an ever changing landscape. For me, it's about parity. Football and sports in general is more enjoyable when there is balance (parity). Since 2000, high school football in Hawaii has more or less had a nice competitiveness. The current system has more parity than in recent memory. It's nice that St Louis gets nationally recognized, but they do have an unfair advantage. Cal Lee has started another vicious cycle of everyone else playing for second best. I'm not bitter (like when I was younger), because I know that it's a cycle, and eventually the field will be a little more even.

What I don't really care for is this open transfer rule that the OIA currently has. It's one thing for a private school to be able to pull kids from all over, it's another thing for this to be allowed at the public school level. I think Mililani more than the ILH schools is creating a competitive problem.

Kahuku will always be Kahuku; meaning that there will be some down years; but there will always be enough talent that stays home to field not only competitive teams, but teams that bring home the Trophy. Most other schools aren't as fortunate (like Waianae or Kapolei).

RRFL!!
@rrforlifebaby: Well, I appreciate that for you, it's about parity. But, something tells me that other guys might feel differently. For example, I doubt that most St Louis alumni value parity. I'd imagine that they'd like St Louis School to continue dominating. I think the same could be said for strong OIA schools like your alma mater. I mean, I would imagine that most Kahuku alumni would like their alma mater to continue being a dominant force in the OIA.

Finally, I'm not so sure that Waianae High or Kapolei High "aren't as fortunate." I think both schools have abundant talent every year; Waianae especially. Their JV beat St Louis' JV, something that hasn't happened in about six years. And, Waianae's vars has that huge sophomore RB who racked-up 200+ yds against Kamehameha, and Kamehameha's D is no slouch. Really, I would shed no tears for Waianae and Kapolei. What we might shed tears for are schools like McKinley and Kalaheo; McKinley in particular. Why McKinley High in particular? Because MWH is a gold-mine of football talent, and MWH kids are supposed to go to McKinley High. But, St Louis School raids MWH every year, robbing the Tigers of MWH's best talent. That has been going on for some 35 years. Imagine that. If you're a McKinley alumnus, that sucks.
St. Louis JV actually beat Waianae's JV. HPW first reported that Waianae won but that was an error.

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teamhawaii wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:29 pm
HS Football Fanatic wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:51 pm
rrforlifebaby wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:10 pm

I don't feel that way. Sports is an ever changing landscape. For me, it's about parity. Football and sports in general is more enjoyable when there is balance (parity). Since 2000, high school football in Hawaii has more or less had a nice competitiveness. The current system has more parity than in recent memory. It's nice that St Louis gets nationally recognized, but they do have an unfair advantage. Cal Lee has started another vicious cycle of everyone else playing for second best. I'm not bitter (like when I was younger), because I know that it's a cycle, and eventually the field will be a little more even.

What I don't really care for is this open transfer rule that the OIA currently has. It's one thing for a private school to be able to pull kids from all over, it's another thing for this to be allowed at the public school level. I think Mililani more than the ILH schools is creating a competitive problem.

Kahuku will always be Kahuku; meaning that there will be some down years; but there will always be enough talent that stays home to field not only competitive teams, but teams that bring home the Trophy. Most other schools aren't as fortunate (like Waianae or Kapolei).

RRFL!!
@rrforlifebaby: Well, I appreciate that for you, it's about parity. But, something tells me that other guys might feel differently. For example, I doubt that most St Louis alumni value parity. I'd imagine that they'd like St Louis School to continue dominating. I think the same could be said for strong OIA schools like your alma mater. I mean, I would imagine that most Kahuku alumni would like their alma mater to continue being a dominant force in the OIA.

Finally, I'm not so sure that Waianae High or Kapolei High "aren't as fortunate." I think both schools have abundant talent every year; Waianae especially. Their JV beat St Louis' JV, something that hasn't happened in about six years. And, Waianae's vars has that huge sophomore RB who racked-up 200+ yds against Kamehameha, and Kamehameha's D is no slouch. Really, I would shed no tears for Waianae and Kapolei. What we might shed tears for are schools like McKinley and Kalaheo; McKinley in particular. Why McKinley High in particular? Because MWH is a gold-mine of football talent, and MWH kids are supposed to go to McKinley High. But, St Louis School raids MWH every year, robbing the Tigers of MWH's best talent. That has been going on for some 35 years. Imagine that. If you're a McKinley alumnus, that sucks.
St. Louis JV actually beat Waianae's JV. HPW first reported that Waianae won but that was an error.
@teamhawaii: Oh, OK. Well, that's that.

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Kahuku clobbered Campbell, a team likely to make the Open state tournament. I’d love it if we (or St. Louis) could play Campbell as a play-in game (to see who is more deserving of a spot in the state tournament). I know we didn’t beat them by much (nor did Mililani) but I doubt that they’d give us much of a challenge as they did the 1st time (that is, if they played like they did against Kamehameha and Kahuku both times). I also doubt that they’d give Mililani (if they were to play them again) as much of challenge as they did the 1st time. They WOULD make people wonder how they came so close to beating Mililani at the beginning of the season.
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Week Twelve,

1.St. 9-0 DNP.
2.Punahou 9-1 DNP.
3.Mililani 7-3 beat Farrington.
4.Kahuku 7-3 beat Campbell and leapfrog Hilo.
5.Hilo 10-0 51-0 shutout over Kalakehe. Drop one.Kahuku is peaking.
6.Leilehua 9-1 beat Waipahu. Move up one spot.
7.Campbell 5-5 Drop one spot with the loss to Kahuku.
8.Iolani 8-2 DNP.
9.Damien 8-2 DNP.
10.Moanalua 9-1 beat Kailua. Hold at ten.

Kahuku played a complete ballgame.Red Raiders scored on the ground and the air and continued to get points from the defense.I think if Kahuku plays like this next week,they will beat Mililani for the OIA Open title.

Kaimuki and especially Roosevelt are looking strong out of OIA D-II,but defending champ Lahainaluna and Kapaa stand in the way.

Former St.Louis star,then coach Darnell Arceneaux got some love from the LA Times. He is featured in an article you can find in the high school sports section.Seems to be having success at Servite HS.

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In regards of the Open Division

Assuming the ILH team will be the #1 seed. Who will they play?

Guessing it would be the OIA runner up?

Than the OIA champ will play the #4 OIA seed which likely will be Campbell.

Doesn’t make sense the #1 seed will play the #3 seed but I can’t see them replaying the OIA final matchup again for states back to back.

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Campbell? Can't figure them out. Maybe it's reality setting in on two way players or Johnson figured "I'll save it for Farrington"?? I hope they heal and finish strong. I also hope unpaid puts Kahuku above Hilo this week. Lol.

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Markeke wrote:
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Campbell? Can't figure them out. Maybe it's reality setting in on two way players or Johnson figured "I'll save it for Farrington"?? I hope they heal and finish strong. I also hope unpaid puts Kahuku above Hilo this week. Lol.
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