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What is next for High school football?

#1 Post by unpaid » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:00 pm

Lee and Jones have considered leaving the ILH and going independent?

They may not do it this year, but if there isn't an OIA-ILH Open conference by 2018,I think St.Louis will go independent. I have said this for years...a three team league does not make sense on Oahu.It's a struggle to schedule a decent number of opponents and still they have to play 5 of their games against Punahou and Kamehameha.If the OIA doesn't get on board soon,St.Louis will leave Punahou and Kamehameha in an even worse situation, just to save their football programs future.

The OIA may allow schools to declare what division they will play in?

That would be a big change,but maybe a necessary one.The win-loss power formula they have been using usually means the D-II teams that get promoted get knocked around once in D-I.

Can Damien and St.Francis declare for D-II in regular season and D-I for states?

It sounds like they can from what I read in the press. Look has already said Iolani is in D-II for both regular season and states this fall.As of today, I have no reason to think Iolani won't begin piling up more D-II state titles.Damien and St.Francis and Pac-Five all should Declare for D-II in regular season and D-I for states.Iolani already has committed to the D-II tournament which would leave the ILH out of the D-I state tourney. There is no reason for those three ILH teams to get left out of post-season competition just because Iolani drops down again.

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Re: What is next for High school football?

#2 Post by Bee-ai-boi » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:47 am

What's your take on Iolani declaring for the DII state tournament. IMHO Iolani has no business in the DII state tournament. I am fine with them playing the regular season in DII. However, come tourney time I believe they belong in the DI state tournament. I feel they proved it last year in the DI tournament. Can you imagine if a team like Kahukui moved down a division because they lost size and/or talent. They would get crucified and ridiculed beyond belief. Same goes for the top ILH schools. I don't think Iolani belongs in the same division with Punahou and St.Louis, but I do believe they are really close to competing with Kamehameha. They don't belong in the DII tourney. They belong in the DI tourney. Kind of says a lot when Damien and St.Francis want to play in the DI tournament when they heard Iolani was declaring for the DII tournament.
Was also wondering...Damien won the last two ILH DII titles. Are they going to be required to move up like Iolani was?

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#3 Post by gopunahou » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:55 am

Bee-ai-boi wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:47 am
What's your take on Iolani declaring for the DII state tournament. IMHO Iolani has no business in the DII state tournament. I am fine with them playing the regular season in DII. However, come tourney time I believe they belong in the DI state tournament. I feel they proved it last year in the DI tournament. Can you imagine if a team like Kahukui moved down a division because they lost size and/or talent. They would get crucified and ridiculed beyond belief. Same goes for the top ILH schools. I don't think Iolani belongs in the same division with Punahou and St.Louis, but I do believe they are really close to competing with Kamehameha. They don't belong in the DII tourney. They belong in the DI tourney. Kind of says a lot when Damien and St.Francis want to play in the DI tournament when they heard Iolani was declaring for the DII tournament.
Was also wondering...Damien won the last two ILH DII titles. Are they going to be required to move up like Iolani was?
Amen. Amen. Amen. I was just going to suggest to true D2 teams to boycott the state tournament if Iolani is a part of it. It'd be like if Kamehameha were part of it, or if we were part of it in 2000 (remember, we were a WORSE position in the late 90s/early 2000s than Kamehameha is in now. This was when Ane took over). Iolani's got a good chance to take the whole thing in D1 with their talent. Why sell your players short to feed your coach's ego? If Iolani is a true D2 team, Donald Trump is the greatest president in the history of the United States.
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Re: What is next for High school football?

#4 Post by unpaid » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:24 pm

Bee-ai-boi,

I think Iolani could have declared for D-II for ILH regular season and declared for D-I states.I think that would have been the best situation for them competitively speaking. If the OIA allows their schools to declare for regular season and tournament classifications,then the D-I field could be ripe for the picking come state playoff time. Mililani got relegated to D-I states on record last year, but if the OIA allows teams to declare ,I think Mililani will declare Open for states. I think Campbell and Leilehua and Farrington as well as Kahuku,Kapolei,Waianae will too....If they get the chance.
Who would Iolani have to face in that scenario in D-I states this fall? .....Moanalua,Castle,Aiea? More likely the Raiders would have had a better shot in D-I states this year than last.

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#5 Post by bandits1 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:03 pm

I don't think anybody's declarations for state tourney divisions are binding yet, are they? Various schools are just saying out loud which division they're leaning towards at this point in time. In the case of Damien and St. Francis, I think they're both letting it be known that they're going to declare for whichever division Iolani doesn't declare for, which is a great plan. No sense in leaving the D1 tourney without ILH representation, and if Iolani doesn't have the sack to step up, then someone else will.

I'd guess the Iolani football team -- mind you, I'm talking about the kids and not necessarily the administration or coaching staff -- would be ashamed if they're left with just Pac-5 as the only self-proclaimed D2-level schools in the ILH. And the deeper either Damien or St. Francis goes in the D1 state tourney the deeper the shame for Iolani, D2 state title or not.

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#6 Post by gopunahou » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:47 pm

bandits1 wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:03 pm
I don't think anybody's declarations for state tourney divisions are binding yet, are they? Various schools are just saying out loud which division they're leaning towards at this point in time. In the case of Damien and St. Francis, I think they're both letting it be known that they're going to declare for whichever division Iolani doesn't declare for, which is a great plan. No sense in leaving the D1 tourney without ILH representation, and if Iolani doesn't have the sack to step up, then someone else will.

I'd guess the Iolani football team -- mind you, I'm talking about the kids and not necessarily the administration or coaching staff -- would be ashamed if they're left with just Pac-5 as the only self-proclaimed D2-level schools in the ILH. And the deeper either Damien or St. Francis goes in the D1 state tourney the deeper the shame for Iolani, D2 state title or not.
I hope like hell that Coach Look's narcissism ain't infecting his players. Iolani does not need more elitists to give the GOOD, humble people there a horrific reputation.
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Re: What is next for High school football?

#7 Post by unpaid » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:33 am

What are your thoughts on St. Louis possibly going independent in the the future?

I think Cal Lee and June Jones are putting it out there to see if the OIA would merge in football for an Open Division in reaction.If not ,then I do think they will take the Crusaders out of the ILH. Coach Lee,in particular ,seems to be frustrated by playing the same two teams five times a year. He doesn't like not being consulted about league schedules,especially after having to drop the Serra game this fall due to an ILH conflict. They only have been playing around 2 Interleague games 5games against Pun-Kamehameha after Iolani goes D-II and 2 state playoff games. That's less that almost any mainland team plays in regular season alone never mind states. It's less than the number of games OIA D-I teams play,too.

So, the Crusaders go Indy.can they improve their schedule? They probably continue to get 2 matches from OIA teams early. St. Louis will play Punahou and Kamehameha just once each year for old times sake....that's 4. They tried to schedule three interstate games but could only make 2 happen....total is at six which doesn't leave them any better off than they are nowadays. They will need 3-4 more games that will have to come from those mainland opponents that Jones and Lee are alluding to. Can they meet the travel costs year in and year out? I have to respect that June Jones thinks it can be done. It will be interesting to see how he does it.

What would be left for Kamehameha and Punahou at that point? 2 interleague games,2-3 interstate games ,and then 3 games against each other for the ILH D-I title.7games plus 2 more in states since Punahou and Kamehameha would be the only two teams left in ILH D-I to fill the 2 Open Division slots the ILH gets.

Also,St.Louis would probably want to continue playing in the Open Division state tournament similar to what Bishop Gorman does in Nevada. Gorman is still in a league however. They just fill out their schedule with other powerful teams from across the country. If St.Louis leaves the ILH,as in really leaves...cuts all ties then they aren't in a league any more,right? Would the HHSAA allow them into the Open Div playoffs when there are no slots for independent schools?

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#8 Post by bandits1 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:31 pm

unpaid wrote:
Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:33 am
Also,St.Louis would probably want to continue playing in the Open Division state tournament similar to what Bishop Gorman does in Nevada. Gorman is still in a league however. They just fill out their schedule with other powerful teams from across the country. If St.Louis leaves the ILH,as in really leaves...cuts all ties then they aren't in a league any more,right? Would the HHSAA allow them into the Open Div playoffs when there are no slots for independent schools?
This last part had me wondering, too. If St. Louis goes independent then I'd assume they'd be out of the Open tourney because, being the only independent, it wouldn't be fair to give them automatic entry into a HHSAA-sanctioned event. Allowing the Crusaders to participate would mean that St. Louis, Punahou, Kam and probably one other ILH school would have automatic entries into the state tourney regardless of W/L record, which would be ridiculous, even from the private school's point of view.

I'd hope that this is the push the OIA needs to agree to merge leagues, in order to keep things as simple and as "fair" as possible. But the bottom line is all of this is almost entirely an ILH problem, so I can see the OIA still refusing to give in. If I were the OIA, I'd use this potentially messy ILH situation as leverage to force them to comply with rules, regulations and limitations that would come with a merge, ones that maybe the private schools weren't amenable to previously.

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#9 Post by unpaid » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:51 am

bandits1,

I am thinking that the OIA is going to just let whatever happens happen in regards to St.Louis mAybe going independent. It is an ILH concern. To an OIA admin or coach who has concerns about ILH recruiting,nothing would change the fact that St.Louis is a private school that has no district boundaries.ILH member or independent,St.Louis still can draw players from anywhere in the islands or the world ,when you come right down to it.

Look at the way the OIA and ILH handled last year's superconference proposal. It seemed from press accounts that the ILH people got together and made a proposal. Then the ILH sent the final draft over to the OIA people who looked it over and voted it down.It did not seem to be a situation where both sides were at the same table in a meeting room actually talking it over.... It seemed more like two sides apart sending proposals back and forth by courier,and the ILH and OIA people were never ever in the same room.I think that until the OIA shows a willingness to negotiate a merger by actually sitting down with the ILH people,there will not be even the possibility of a merger.

I agree that that there is an opportunity for the OIA in a merger with the ILH, but the way the issue was handled last year makes me think they aren't even interested in bringing it up.

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