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Re: Will Rolo "Clean House"???

#31 Post by RedZone » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:10 pm

It is really about the changes he does make. Same o same o will obviously not work. He needs to look at his whole program. I hope he does and comes up with some answers. Chow and VonApps had no clue. Hope he has a few mentors that can help him.
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#32 Post by Irse » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:17 pm

SundayJam wrote:
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Rolo did turn Chow's players into a bowl team last year (although not as good as June's team). JJ's second year team won as many as this year's team did.
LOL...you got that right.

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By looking at the roster, I'd say Jones was mixing it up with coaches and a new quarterback. Gosh, was that Timmy Chang, Nick Rolovich, and Ashley Lelie's first year?

I haven't given up on Rolovich yet. There is a world of difference between an inexperienced head coach and a seasoned one in June Jones.
I don't know how anybody can compare a NFL experienced head ollege coach to a first time head coach. Pretty obvious the NFL guy will be much better. Try comparing to another first time coach, Chow.
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Re: Will Rolo "Clean House"???

#33 Post by SundayJam » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:53 pm

Irse wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:17 pm
SundayJam wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:58 pm
Irse wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:16 pm
Rolo did turn Chow's players into a bowl team last year (although not as good as June's team). JJ's second year team won as many as this year's team did.
LOL...you got that right.

http://static.hawaiiathletics.com/custo ... AMCUME.HTM

By looking at the roster, I'd say Jones was mixing it up with coaches and a new quarterback. Gosh, was that Timmy Chang, Nick Rolovich, and Ashley Lelie's first year?

I haven't given up on Rolovich yet. There is a world of difference between an inexperienced head coach and a seasoned one in June Jones.
I don't know how anybody can compare a NFL experienced head ollege coach to a first time head coach. Pretty obvious the NFL guy will be much better. Try comparing to another first time coach, Chow.
Uhmmmm, you? Have a good off-season, Irse.

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#34 Post by Mr.EDGE808 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:58 am

SundayJam wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:53 pm

Uhmmmm, you? Have a good off-season, Irse.
:read: Well...IRSE's beloved Cubs didn't get back to defend their World Series title....His COWBOYs are not close to doing what they did last season....and IRSE still has to work and can't afford to retire :lol: :lol:

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Re: Will Rolo "Clean House"???

#35 Post by Irse » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:13 pm

Mr.EDGE808 wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:58 am
SundayJam wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:53 pm

Uhmmmm, you? Have a good off-season, Irse.
:read: Well...IRSE's beloved Cubs didn't get back to defend their World Series title....His COWBOYs are not close to doing what they did last season....and IRSE still has to work and can't afford to retire :lol: :lol:

But all will be well, and this too shall pass..... :wink:
Yep. Been a rough year. Add to that my Memphis Tigers basketball team sucks
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#36 Post by BigWave96744 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:11 pm

Irse wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:13 pm
Mr.EDGE808 wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:58 am
SundayJam wrote:
Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:53 pm

Uhmmmm, you? Have a good off-season, Irse.
:read: Well...IRSE's beloved Cubs didn't get back to defend their World Series title....His COWBOYs are not close to doing what they did last season....and IRSE still has to work and can't afford to retire :lol: :lol:

But all will be well, and this too shall pass..... :wink:
Yep. Been a rough year. Add to that my Memphis Tigers basketball team sucks
Atleast Memphis Football is going off the charts :)

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Re: Will Rolo "Clean House"???

#37 Post by Irse » Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:42 pm

BigWave96744 wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:11 pm
Irse wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:13 pm
Mr.EDGE808 wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:58 am


:read: Well...IRSE's beloved Cubs didn't get back to defend their World Series title....His COWBOYs are not close to doing what they did last season....and IRSE still has to work and can't afford to retire :lol: :lol:

But all will be well, and this too shall pass..... :wink:
Yep. Been a rough year. Add to that my Memphis Tigers basketball team sucks
Atleast Memphis Football is going off the charts :)
They made an effort to put resources into football instead of basketball in hopes to get into a P5 conference. See how football takes off (and basketball dives) when an effort is made. UH could learn.
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Re: Will Rolo "Clean House"???

#38 Post by amela » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:23 pm

Rolovich should be the point recruiter for the players he wants. If a coach is fired we don't want a player that was recruited by that coach to decommit.

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#39 Post by Mr.EDGE808 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:20 am

Irse wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:42 pm

They made an effort ... football takes off (and basketball dives) when an effort is made. UH could learn.
:o Are these the same learners that handle the Stevie Wonder blunder, the rail, the stadium, the swap meet...... :lol: :lol:
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#40 Post by Irse » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:37 am

Mr.EDGE808 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:20 am
Irse wrote:
Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:42 pm

They made an effort ... football takes off (and basketball dives) when an effort is made. UH could learn.
:o Are these the same learners that handle the Stevie Wonder blunder, the rail, the stadium, the swap meet...... :lol: :lol:
Now that's funny. :lol:
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#41 Post by BigWave96744 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:37 pm

Looks like BYU also cleaning house and Kalani Sitake parting ways with famous Alumni friends
BYU: Running backs coach Reno Mahe has announced that he has left the staff. We have been hearing for days that a number of staff changes are coming soon. Presumably more will be out
http://footballscoop.com/the-scoop/

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#42 Post by BigWave96744 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:45 pm

WOW!!!!!! READ THIS ARTICLE.
So many similarities between BYU and Hawaii
Ty Detmer wasn't ready — and BYU should've known it
By Doug Robinson
Published: November 30, 2017 12:45 pm

SALT LAKE CITY — As BYU officials search for a new offensive coordinator to replace Ty Detmer, let’s hope this time they have come to their senses.

They should’ve known better before they called Detmer two years ago and hired him as offensive coordinator. They should’ve known it might come to this embarrassing situation in which they must dismiss a beloved local legend.

This is the third time they’ve made the same mistake. Who’s next, Steve Young?

There’s a certain mystery about what makes a good coach, but these two things are pretty certain: Experience is required and credentials as a player are vastly overrated, if not irrelevant.

Ty Detmer earned a reputation as a brainy quarterback during his 14-year NFL career. For better or worse, he spent much of his career tutoring the latest Quarterback of the Future to come out of the draft. He was already coaching, in a way.

One magazine referred to him as the Green Bay Packers’ Einstein when he was playing for that team. All this notwithstanding, he was not prepared to be an offensive coordinator at the FBS level. His entire coaching experience consisted of six years at a small (900 enrollment) private school in Texas — St. Andrew's Episcopal School. He took over an 0-10 team and, during the next six years, his teams produced records of 0-10, 3-7, 3-6, 4-5, 5-3, 8-1. In other words, he — and his team — improved annually.

In big-time college football he didn't have the luxury of on-the-job training.

You can hardly name a successful coach in the college or professional ranks who made the jump that Detmer made. They all paid their dues working their way up the coaching ladder, usually at a number of different schools or franchises to obtain a broad-based football education.

Bill Belichick was an assistant coach for 11 years and five teams before he was promoted to a coordinator’s job. He began as a “special assistant” — whatever that is — and a year later he was a special teams coach. He wasn’t even the special teams coach — he was an assistant to the special teams coach.

Vince Lombardi labored for 15 years as a high school coach and assistant college coach before he became a coordinator.

Gary Patterson worked 14 years as an assistant for nine schools before he got a D-I coordinator job. He began as a grad assistant and then was assigned to coach linebackers.

Chris Petersen worked 14 years for five schools during his apprenticeship before becoming a coordinator.

Kyle Whittingham spent 10 years as an assistant at four schools before he got his first FBS coordinator job.

Dabo Swinney apprenticed for 15 years as a college assistant before he became a coordinator. He began as a graduate assistant and then was promoted to receivers coach.

Chip Kelly served a dozen years as an assistant at eight schools before he became a D-I coordinator. He began as a conditioning coach.

And so it goes: Pete Carroll — seven years/five schools as a college assistant; Andy Reid — 17 years as a college and NFL assistant for eight teams, beginning as a grad assistant at BYU; Norm Chow — 16 years as an assistant before becoming BYU’s OC.

Nick Saban — a decade as an assistant for six schools before becoming a defenisve coordinator.

Detmer went straight from a (small) high school coach to an FBS coordinator job. Even in the best of times it would’ve been a difficult transition, but then add a decline in talent at BYU and the other challenges the school faces in its struggling program …

Apparently, BYU officials were dazzled by Detmer’s Heisman Trophy and his record-setting credentials as BYU’s quarterback, not to mention his legend status with the fan base, but how does that qualify him as a coach? Knowing how to play the game is one thing; knowing how to teach it is another.

It’s an acquired skill. A great quarterback does not (necessarily) make a great coach, especially one with little experience. BYU should know this from firsthand experience.

Since 2003, the Cougars have tried three of their former quarterbacks as offensive coordinators. Robbie Bosco lasted one season, Brandon Doman and Detmer two.

For good measure, there was another example just up the road — the Utes hired their former quarterback, Brian Johnson, as offensive coordinator two weeks before his 25th birthday, with just two years of coaching experience. The results were predictable. After the first season, he was demoted to co-coordinator and after his second season he was demoted to quarterbacks coach, which prompted him to leave the staff.

There is no equating athletic talent to coaching talent. You could argue quite to the contrary. Mike Leach never even played college football. Belichick was a better lacrosse player than a football player, and the best he did at either was to play for Wesleyan University.

The NFL’s Adam Gase and Ben McAdoo didn’t play beyond high school. Chip Kelly rode the bench for New Hampshire. Mike McCarthy, Mike Zimmer and Dan Quinn played at the small-college level. John Harbaugh was a special teams player at Miami Ohio. Besides Steve Spurrier, it would be difficult to name a Heisman winner who became a successful coach.

Finding coaching talent is as difficult as finding quarterback talent. Just ask the Utes, who have hired nine OCs in 13 years.

In their search for Detmer’s replacement, the Cougars should not refer to their list of former BYU All-Americans and quarterbacks.

Doug is a general columnist, sports columnist and feature writer.
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#43 Post by BigWave96744 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:05 pm

Rolo is the right guy for the job, just need 3 seasoned Coordinators to get the team back on track

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Re: Will Rolo "Clean House"???

#44 Post by Irse » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:50 pm

BigWave96744 wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:05 pm
Rolo is the right guy for the job, just need 3 seasoned Coordinators to get the team back on track
The key is always surrounding yourself with good people. Unfortunately with the way UH pays, it's hard to find really good people who want to work for little compared to waht they can get elsewhere.
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#45 Post by BigWave96744 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:55 pm

Irse wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:50 pm
BigWave96744 wrote:
Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:05 pm
Rolo is the right guy for the job, just need 3 seasoned Coordinators to get the team back on track
The key is always surrounding yourself with good people. Unfortunately with the way UH pays, it's hard to find really good people who want to work for little compared to waht they can get elsewhere.
And for BYU their problem is not money, the candidate must be a LDS

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