More changes to college football

[Irse]

Looks like the Big 5 wants to form their own division and not play any schools that are not in that division. That would make any future schedules not as appealing. Greed at it's finest.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootbal ... -athletics

[J-Rod]

Hawaii cannot survive as second tier program. The state needs to get off the fence.....either we're going full force trying to get into a better conference (which would require better facilities, etc.) or this thing is about finished. Very scary times in college football.....

[madeinhawaii]

The NCAA might have been able to keep it all together if they had dropped the allowable number of scholarships for football to 75. That would have spread the talent out. Soon, they will, pretty much, be a powerless entity.

But where does this leave Hawaii and the rest of the Mid-Majors ?

[MadCat88]

They might as well do it - the bigger conferences operate more like professional sport organizations anyways. Sort of a NFL minor / farm league - a way to bring up the talent from across the country and into the hallowed locker rooms of the NFL... screw the education part of the package - it's all about the big bucks that come with the prestige. Why not share some of that with the guys who put their bodies on the line for them??? Why not call a spade a spade.

For the mid-majors - unless there's significant money from those BIG 5 teams to come and play... it's a done deal - no more DIV1 level play. They will ALL be relegated down where most teams would be beyond happy to have 10-15k fans show up on Saturdays - and no real national T.V. time. For Hawaii - with the additional expense of operations - I think we can kiss the program goodbye.

[HawaiianHogster]

It all depends on the teams that are left out. If they want they can form their own division. Look at the non BCS teams now. There have been several teams able to compete with and beat the so called untouchables.

Why not form what is left into 4 divisions and have their own playoff system. There are way too many football players out there that won't or can't make it onto a BCS team. They will join the new division teams and help them to become stronger.

As a matter of fact I would have the new division start earlier than the BCS division by at least one or two month's. That way they will be able to get ESPN, CBS, and FOX sports coverage. The playoff could start and finish before the BCS does their silly playoff.

If you can't compete against them them then don't. Play when they don't play. Finish before they start.

Otherwise you move down to the lower division and hope that the fans will still support them.

[HawaiianHogster]

Question. Why is Congress letting college institutions form their own little football world in the name of the almighty dollar?

These are college institutions we are talking about right? Are they not under the control of US laws and regulations? Isn't that why they formed the NCAA? Now all of a sudden they mean nothing?

The laws and regs that govern these institutions are meaningless now? All you need is a lot of money and a lot of powerful people and you can do what you want?

If they want real pre-NFL type football then they need to start their own football colleges.

[SmugDude]

I'm not sure these institutions are breaking any laws here.

That said, the only real impact the government could levy is to pull funding to institutions that joined this division - which I believe is the hammer that was used to get Title XI passed.

The one thing the NCAA could do is essentially hit these schools in the non-revenue generating sports and basically ban them from participation in the NCAA championship for basketball, etc. Though to be fair - would anyone want to watch the NCAA tournament if the only real power conference left was the Big East?

[dcwarrior]

Congress? Let? Recall this is the US, where the feds only have the power we the people give them through the Constitution. And recall also that the NCAA was not created by Congress. It's a private institution, that schools are free to leave. Indeed it was much smaller than the NAIA for many years. And under our antitrust laws, the NCAA lost an antitrust case that allowed them to control the TV contracts for all of college football. That is why you have conference and individual school contracts.

And no, public colleges are not "under the control of US laws and regulations". There may be individual laws that regulate them and their grants but most public institutions are organs of the individual states. Only the service academies are directly under the federal government. And many of the institutions are private.

Moreover, many members of Congress, perhaps a majority of them, went to the schools in the big conferences.

And again, not only did Congress not form the NCAA, the NCAA's rise to power did not come from an altruistic motive. Apparently, a large # of schools were disenchanted with the NAIA's strict governance and left to join the NCAA which gave them more autonomy.

What laws and regs do you think are out there that would prevent the current situation, if only?

Question. Why is Congress letting college institutions form their own little football world in the name of the almighty dollar?

These are college institutions we are talking about right? Are they not under the control of US laws and regulations? Isn't that why they formed the NCAA? Now all of a sudden they mean nothing?

The laws and regs that govern these institutions are meaningless now? All you need is a lot of money and a lot of powerful people and you can do what you want?

If they want real pre-NFL type football then they need to start their own football colleges.

[madeinhawaii]

From Scout...

Krusha wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act

The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] July 2, 1890, ch. 647, 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute on United States competition law passed by Congress in 1890. It prohibits certain business activities that federal government regulators deem to be anti competitive, and requires the federal government to investigate and pursue trusts, companies, and organizations suspected of being in violation. It was the first federal statute to limit cartels and monopolies, and today still forms the basis for most antitrust litigation by the United States federal government.

So between Title IX and the Sherman Antitrust Act, it will be a while before this new division can be formed.

[dcwarrior]

From Scout...

Krusha wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act

The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] July 2, 1890, ch. 647, 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute on United States competition law passed by Congress in 1890. It prohibits certain business activities that federal government regulators deem to be anti competitive, and requires the federal government to investigate and pursue trusts, companies, and organizations suspected of being in violation. It was the first federal statute to limit cartels and monopolies, and today still forms the basis for most antitrust litigation by the United States federal government.

So between Title IX and the Sherman Antitrust Act, it will be a while before this new division can be formed.

Why? All they have to do is establish (a) that women are getting the same overall funding and opportunities as men and (b) that they aren't controlling prices or restricting supply, etc. What's the difference between the FBS/FCS division and the big 5 vs. FBS/FCS division?

[madeinhawaii]

From Scout...

Krusha wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act

The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act,[1] July 2, 1890, ch. 647, 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute on United States competition law passed by Congress in 1890. It prohibits certain business activities that federal government regulators deem to be anti competitive, and requires the federal government to investigate and pursue trusts, companies, and organizations suspected of being in violation. It was the first federal statute to limit cartels and monopolies, and today still forms the basis for most antitrust litigation by the United States federal government.

So between Title IX and the Sherman Antitrust Act, it will be a while before this new division can be formed.

Why? All they have to do is establish (a) that women are getting the same overall funding and opportunities as men and (b) that they aren't controlling prices or restricting supply, etc. What's the difference between the FBS/FCS division and the big 5 vs. FBS/FCS division?

They are looking for a full on break away from the NCAA.. That makes the motive questionable.

[allshownogo]

Also brings into question who they'll answer to if not the NCAA

[madeinhawaii]

Also brings into question who they'll answer to if not the NCAA

Yep.. and then who's going to let their Olympic teams play in the NCAA?

[dcwarrior]

Why? All they have to do is establish (a) that women are getting the same overall funding and opportunities as men and (b) that they aren't controlling prices or restricting supply, etc. What's the difference between the FBS/FCS division and the big 5 vs. FBS/FCS division?

They are looking for a full on break away from the NCAA.. That makes the motive questionable.

What? They are NOT looking for a break away, because it would be too much work to set up a separate NCAA like governance structure. They just want to create a new division within the NCAA that they can run the way they want to.

And of course the motive is questionable, you don't have to dance around it. Say it out loud. They want to keep more money for themselves, have more power and say without the little schools veto-ing everything and stomp down the poorer programs so you don't have these pesky Boise States popping up and embarrassing their richer brethren.

[madeinhawaii]

Why? All they have to do is establish (a) that women are getting the same overall funding and opportunities as men and (b) that they aren't controlling prices or restricting supply, etc. What's the difference between the FBS/FCS division and the big 5 vs. FBS/FCS division?

They are looking for a full on break away from the NCAA.. That makes the motive questionable.

What? They are NOT looking for a break away, because it would be too much work to set up a separate NCAA like governance structure. They just want to create a new division within the NCAA that they can run the way they want to.

And of course the motive is questionable, you don't have to dance around it. Say it out loud. They want to keep more money for themselves, have more power and say without the little schools veto-ing everything and stomp down the poorer programs so you don't have these pesky Boise States popping up and embarrassing their richer brethren.

Oops... misread that article... sorry about that. Unfortunately we have neither a good football team nor basketball. Makes getting an invite that much more difficult.