An ILH-OIA merger

[bigD]

There is an interesting article regarding the superconference written by Kevin Jakahi of the Hawaii Tribune Herald today.
Looks like there will not be a superconference this year. If there is no movement at the HIADA meetings,then I would have to believe the OIA is not interested in a superconference. I don't know that the ILH is going to offer any more concessions than the ones offered in the proposal that the OIA already voted down last winter.

Good. The ILH should do away with all competition restrictions for transfers for next year and just open the floodgates. Take all comers and let them play. They're children. Let them play.

And the OIA will do the same..

[twnoexcuses]

There is an interesting article regarding the superconference written by Kevin Jakahi of the Hawaii Tribune Herald today.
Looks like there will not be a superconference this year. If there is no movement at the HIADA meetings,then I would have to believe the OIA is not interested in a superconference. I don't know that the ILH is going to offer any more concessions than the ones offered in the proposal that the OIA already voted down last winter.

Good. The ILH should do away with all competition restrictions for transfers for next year and just open the floodgates. Take all comers and let them play. They're children. Let them play.

And the OIA will do the same..

Good. Quit making people get fake electric bills.

[bigD]

Good. The ILH should do away with all competition restrictions for transfers for next year and just open the floodgates. Take all comers and let them play. They're children. Let them play.

And the OIA will do the same..

Good. Quit making people get fake electric bills.

and this means??????

[Dog 96707]

So the OIA AD's and Principal's voted against the merger?? I haven't heard anything lately.

[unpaid]

The only thing the StarAdvertiser and the Hawaii Tribune herald agree on is that there was a proposal for a superconference made by the ILH to the OIA last winter which the OIA voted down. There was little if any publicity about it because I don't remember reading anything about this late last year.

Fast forward to spring this year and hawaiiprepworld ,which is basically a StarAdvertiser blog, says there is a proposal drafted by the ILH which was agreed to by their AD's and this proposal will be submitted to the OIA for approval. So all of us get giddy about this but,as the week's draw on ,nothing from the OIA. Still nothing from the OIA,even with HIADA meetings going on this week.Then on this past Sunday,the Hawaii Tribune Herald has an article written by one of their sportswriters saying Lyle Crozier ,the Executive Director of the BIIF, was asked about the supposed OIA vote. Basically Crozier said,there is nothing going on and that if there had been,he seemed sure that his OIA counterpart would have said something to him...he hadn'T heard about any spring votes happening. He did say that there was a proposal back in the winter but that the OIA had voted it down.

Reading between the lines ,it seems someone got their information wrong. There was no recent spring movement. There seems to have been only one vote back in the winter involving the OIA and ILH.There was no spring counterproposal,apparently.Events at the HIADA seem to bear this out. The only thing that has come out is a proposal to let a second ILH D-I team into the playoffs which was apparently made by Maui AD's.

It would seem that there won't be a superconference this year.

[gridiron22]

What continues to amaze me is that every summer there are many football players that are moving schools whether it be within the state or out to the mainland (California/Nevada/Utah...etc..)

Parents are aware of what needs to be done to get their child the best exposure and they are doing it, most kids get their scholarship offers over the summer while attending camps, the need to attend a private school to access their resources and connections are dwindling, if you are good the colleges will find you. The lack of a super conference is not hurting our kids chances of getting exposure in fact a super conference would hurt the public school kids, let me explain.

The end of year Star-Advertiser all-star list is a big plus for any of our athletes to be on. The majority of players to make the 1st and 2nd All-star teams are usually from the final two teams that are playing for the Championship. This past year it was St. Louis and Kahuku with the most players, Last year it was Mililani and Punahou with the most. Do you know that many of those players that made the list increased their chances of getting looked at by colleges? Two senior players from Kahuku that made the all-star list got their only scholarship offer after they won the title and after the list came out. Those two players would not have made the all-star list and probably would not have had the offer if Kahuku did not win the Championship. As if you guys did not already know, WINNING IS VERY IMPORTANT IN FOOTBALL ON ANY LEVEL. The fact that the OIA has done more winning in the D1 Championship game does not sit well with the ILH.

...Year-in and year-out the big 3 (Kam/Punahou/St.Louis) are always ranked in the top 5 teams in the state. 100% of the ILH conference teams are in the top 5% of all D1 schools. Do you not think that their Lone representative to enter the HHSAA state tournament cant make it to the title game? Why are they complaining that they need a 2nd team to enter the tournament? It has never happened in the history of the tournament that the ILH representative did not make it to the title game. So....what we end up having every year is the best OIA school vs. the best ILH school for the D1 title, which is a great reflection on the All-star polls as having a balanced amount of players from both conferences to choose from to make the list. Like I said earlier, the All-star list is a great indication for colleges to feel good about recruiting a player that made Hawaii's premiere All-star list. A 2nd ILH team in the tournament will increase the chances of two ILH teams making it to the title game. If that were to happen then the All-star lists will be skewed with a majority of ILH players which increases the exposure of their kids, that is just another item of weaponry added to their sales pitch to prospective parents with talented athletic kids, to convince them that the ILH is the place to be and also convinces boosters that the ILH is really doing big things, ALL OF THIS EQUATES TO MONEY, MONEY FROM INCREASED ENROLLMENT AND MONEY FROM BOOSTERS.

If some of you are thinking that some of these private schools could careless about winning a football championship I will agree with you, but you are most likely thinking of those private schools that produce doctors/lawyers/musicians/presidents.

The super conference benefits the ILH and ONLY the ILH! Im glad the OIA is not falling for the $3 million dollar bait.

[Markeke]

Agree with gridiron22. The brutalization during the reign of the Saint's March in the Prep Bowl Era was evidence enough for the OIA to say no more.

[HaterOfElitists]

Any OIA homer/supporter that's against this merger is a crybaby who tries to justify their victim mentality. I know the OIA and many of its RATIONAL supporters are better than this. Don't make the same mistake Markeke made in agreeing with OIA homer gridiron22. Otherwise you'll show yourself as an OIA-loving crybaby that's holding EVERYTHING back and impeding progress. And anyone that agrees with Mr. Crybaby gridiron22 and has got a positive opinion of crybabies like him should receive NO SYMPATHY. They disgrace the OIA. So do the people that think the OIA is the only league that deserves multiple berths in the state tournament. People with that opinion deserve to suffer in Guantanamo for that opinion! Suffering from their victim mentality ain't enough!

And one more thing about the merger: if it DOES happen (now sounding like a big, even impossible "if"), would Iolani elect to play at the LOWEST level? I.E. with teams like Anuenue, Kalani, and Waialua? Because I wouldn't put it past them to do so, even though their rightful place is the division with Castle and Aiea!

[gridiron22]

Lets see

15 teams in Division one OIA = 3 entries = 19% of league represented
3 teams in MIL = 1 entry = 33% of league represented
3 teams in BIIF = 1 entry = 33% of league represented
3 teams in ILH = 1 entry = 33% of league represented

it looks like the OIA has the least amount of representation in the HHSAA tournament. Not sure where ILH people think they need another entry.

[gridiron22]

Don't make the same mistake Markeke made in agreeing with OIA homer gridiron22. Otherwise you'll show yourself as an OIA-loving crybaby that's holding EVERYTHING back and impeding progress.

What exactly kind of progress are you referring to that the OIA is holding everyone back from making by not voting in a super conference?

You have no valid reason why the super conference should be created, please name one? Even the ILH administrators know that a super conference is not needed so they had to use an incentive like money to make an attractive offer. Doesnt that sound kind of shady? Like the ILH can just buy anything they want? You buy all your athletes from Waipahu, Ewa beach, Kahuku, Maui, Big Island...If you despise the OIA so much then why are you taking our players instead of building the k-6 ILH kids from the current enrolment?

There is ABSOLUTELY no barrier that is holding back ILH football players from progressing into college and NFL. In fact the past 6 Years have been the most productive in ILH and Hawaii football history, the ILH has raised the bar in producing elite athletes. Mariota, Teo, Buckner the list goes on of NFL draft picks. Not even the super 1990's when St. Louis was king did Hawaii have such high profile athletes. Now please explain to me how the kids of the ILH are suffering because there is no super conference?

Its the PRIDE of the ILH alumni that is butt hurt because the OIA is spanking you guys and you cant handle, whos the crybaby now haterofelitist?

You need to understand that the general consensus in the Athletic world here in Hawaii is all about developing the individual athlete to prep him/her for the next level. There is little loyalty to the current team because not everyone on the team is good enough to play at a high level. So lets say a 12yr old volleyball player is the best in the state at her age group. Her club team will not hold her back to help her U12 team win a title, they will put her up to play with the 15yr olds so she can develop and grow faster. This mentality exists in club sports like volleyball, baseball and soccer. When it comes to football there is no U12 or U17, there is only public school or private school. Private school is the big brother of public school, parents of a child that is gifted in football is encouraged to attend the ILH so that their kid can develop with better coaching, facilities and education. There is no loyalty of these Ewa beach kids to stay and play football for Campbell or Kapolei kids to stay and play for Kapolei, if the opportunity pops up the family is leaving to play for big brother, the ILH. In some cases the pop warner coaches are even encouraging their elite kids to go to the ILH becuase the local OIA team will impede their development.

The ILH staff and faculty wants that reputation to uphold as being the big brother of sports, one reason is to help with enrollment tuition, I will admit that this is from a small number of the student body - the athletes. But moreso they need to up-hold the stigma of being THE BEST. After all parents are paying big money for their kids to be the best right!

Recently you see players like Melepeia and Rex Manu leaving the ILH and winning a Championship with Mililani, They have started a new mentality that you dont need to play football for big brother in order to win a D1 championship or get a high profile scholarship.

Kahuku is probably the only school that has never given in to the mentality of the ILH being big brother, they have always united as a team, they put team first over the individual and that has led to success. Mililani's championship years was fueled by the mentality that they are a team. You hear Amosa at Campbell and Okimoto at Farrington now starting to preach that in order to have success the players need to support each other and not jump ship to play for "big brother".

The super conference is a tactic to stomp down on the OIA every week of the season, to remind them that big brother is in control. Kahuku is probably the only team that will not get stomped because they dont drink the kool aid, but it will take a toll on everyone else and thats all that matters, to keep those athletes from Ewa beach, Waianae, Kalihi believing that they will never win with their local high school and that they should move over to the ILH.

[HaterOfElitists]

Don't make the same mistake Markeke made in agreeing with OIA homer gridiron22. Otherwise you'll show yourself as an OIA-loving crybaby that's holding EVERYTHING back and impeding progress.

What exactly kind of progress are you referring to that the OIA is holding everyone back from making by not voting in a super conference?

You have no valid reason why the super conference should be created, please name one? Even the ILH administrators know that a super conference is not needed so they had to use an incentive like money to make an attractive offer. Doesnt that sound kind of shady? Like the ILH can just buy anything they want? You buy all your athletes from Waipahu, Ewa beach, Kahuku, Maui, Big Island...If you despise the OIA so much then why are you taking our players instead of building the k-6 ILH kids from the current enrolment?

There is ABSOLUTELY no barrier that is holding back ILH football players from progressing into college and NFL. In fact the past 6 Years have been the most productive in ILH and Hawaii football history, the ILH has raised the bar in producing elite athletes. Mariota, Teo, Buckner the list goes on of NFL draft picks. Not even the super 1990's when St. Louis was king did Hawaii have such high profile athletes. Now please explain to me how the kids of the ILH are suffering because there is no super conference?

Its the PRIDE of the ILH alumni that is butt hurt because the OIA is spanking you guys and you cant handle, whos the crybaby now haterofelitist?

You need to understand that the general consensus in the Athletic world here in Hawaii is all about developing the individual athlete to prep him/her for the next level. There is little loyalty to the current team because not everyone on the team is good enough to play at a high level. So lets say a 12yr old volleyball player is the best in the state at her age group. Her club team will not hold her back to help her U12 team win a title, they will put her up to play with the 15yr olds so she can develop and grow faster. This mentality exists in club sports like volleyball, baseball and soccer. When it comes to football there is no U12 or U17, there is only public school or private school. Private school is the big brother of public school, parents of a child that is gifted in football is encouraged to attend the ILH so that their kid can develop with better coaching, facilities and education. There is no loyalty of these Ewa beach kids to stay and play football for Campbell or Kapolei kids to stay and play for Kapolei, if the opportunity pops up the family is leaving to play for big brother, the ILH. In some cases the pop warner coaches are even encouraging their elite kids to go to the ILH becuase the local OIA team will impede their development.

The ILH staff and faculty wants that reputation to uphold as being the big brother of sports, one reason is to help with enrollment tuition, I will admit that this is from a small number of the student body - the athletes. But moreso they need to up-hold the stigma of being THE BEST. After all parents are paying big money for their kids to be the best right!

Recently you see players like Melepeia and Rex Manu leaving the ILH and winning a Championship with Mililani, They have started a new mentality that you dont need to play football for big brother in order to win a D1 championship or get a high profile scholarship.

Kahuku is probably the only school that has never given in to the mentality of the ILH being big brother, they have always united as a team, they put team first over the individual and that has led to success. Mililani's championship years was fueled by the mentality that they are a team. You hear Amosa at Campbell and Okimoto at Farrington now starting to preach that in order to have success the players need to support each other and not jump ship to play for "big brother".

The super conference is a tactic to stomp down on the OIA every week of the season, to remind them that big brother is in control. Kahuku is probably the only team that will not get stomped because they dont drink the kool aid, but it will take a toll on everyone else and thats all that matters, to keep those athletes from Ewa beach, Waianae, Kalihi believing that they will never win with their local high school and that they should move over to the ILH.

Please name a reason the OIA should continue to whine like crybabies and have the TEENYBOPPER-LOVING attitude of "fu(k the ILH"? Oh that's right! You can't!

And let me state: if everything was fine and dandy, as Mr. OIA and teenybopper loving gridiron22 suggests, why would you express your teenybopper-loving opinions as strongly as you are, gridiron22? You are MAD about something, but what would make you complain as much as you are if you thought everything was fine and dandY in HS FB?

And does anyone here approve of gridiron22's teenybopper-loving opinion that the "ILH is the Evil Empire"? Does anyone else think that gridiron22 blames the ILH when he spills his milk? Does anyone else think he blames male private school graduates for stealing the chicks he hoped to date and female private school graduates for rejecting him?

What gridiron22 needs is a blanket and a pacifier since he's a crybaby that blames the ILH for everything that's poop in his life! Did anyone whose got a different opinion than you hurt your little feewings?

[bandits1]

HaterOfElitists, you didn't answer a single question gridiron22 asked in his very coherent and logical post. All I read from you in response was a rant and personal attack.

gridiron/OIA = 1
HaterOfElitists/ILH = 0

[HaterOfElitists]

HaterOfElitists, you didn't answer a single question gridiron22 asked in his very coherent and logical post. All I read from you in response was a rant and personal attack.

gridiron/OIA = 1
HaterOfElitists/ILH = 0

Why should I? And could you NOT tell that all his rant was about was hatred toward the ILH. Can you not see that he thinks the ILH is the EVIL EMPIRE?

Oh wait, now I see! bandits1 IS gridiron22! What other explanation could there be? Only an idiot would agree with gridiron22 and his feelings toward the ILH that go beyond animosity and hatred!

gridiron22 (or is it bandits1?), I hope you are happy in giving the OIA a horrific reputation as crybabies that blame the ILH for everything that's sh1t in their organization! Now be a good boy and play with the bwanky you desperately need!

[Markeke]

HaterOfElitists, you didn't answer a single question gridiron22 asked in his very coherent and logical post. All I read from you in response was a rant and personal attack.

gridiron/OIA = 1
HaterOfElitists/ILH = 0

Why should I? And could you NOT tell that all his rant was about was hatred toward the ILH. Can you not see that he thinks the ILH is the EVIL EMPIRE?

Oh wait, now I see! bandits1 IS gridiron22! What other explanation could there be? Only an idiot would agree with gridiron22 and his feelings toward the ILH that go beyond animosity and hatred!

gridiron22 (or is it bandits1?), I hope you are happy in giving the OIA a horrific reputation as crybabies that blame the ILH for everything that's sh1t in their organization! Now be a good boy and play with the bwanky you desperately need!

Lol, out of control. The HHSAA conference pa'u on Waikaloa. No action on the merger. Girls softball will alternate on different islands. That is all.

[HaterOfElitists]

I wish I could start a thread about OIA officials and supporters who cry about the world taking a giant sh1t in them and always play the victim, but that would make me look like a hypocrite, wouldn't it?