New OIA Transfer Rule Goes Into Effect Next School Year

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The OIA had to do this. MILILANI lost studs on defense,NAMU,Afele,Furuta and some other seniors. They get several new seniors from other schools,who start right away? Is this the NFL? So the mad rush will be on to get players on with a DE before this school year is up in order for them to play without sitting out. Imagine the underclassmen last year who played defense and wanted to step up this year. " Sorry, we gotta use our NEW defensive studs" if they go down, maybe you can play. " Heard Our award winning Band has open seats". Look at the band during the game. Now that's a general mix of actual kids living in the community. So Sad.

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What's going to be interesting is that the OIA's implementation of a mandatory sit out is going to cause kids who bloom in their Freshman and even sophomore years to look seriously at ILH schools. Previously, kids only automatically sat in an OIA to ILH transfer. Now, if a kid must sit in an OIA to OIA transfer, but is welcomed at an ILH school and the finances work out, there is less disincentive to go to the ILH

The OIA as a league gave away a significant "hold" on it's chattel.



Martin wrote:The OIA had to do this. MILILANI lost studs on defense,NAMU,Afele,Furuta and some other seniors. They get several new seniors from other schools,who start right away? Is this the NFL? So the mad rush will be on to get players on with a DE before this school year is up in order for them to play without sitting out. Imagine the underclassmen last year who played defense and wanted to step up this year. " Sorry, we gotta use our NEW defensive studs" if they go down, maybe you can play. " Heard Our award winning Band has open seats". Look at the band during the game. Now that's a general mix of actual kids living in the community. So Sad.

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twnoexcuses wrote:What's going to be interesting is that the OIA's implementation of a mandatory sit out is going to cause kids who bloom in their Freshman and even sophomore years to look seriously at ILH schools. Previously, kids only automatically sat in an OIA to ILH transfer. Now, if a kid must sit in an OIA to OIA transfer, but is welcomed at an ILH school and the finances work out, there is less disincentive to go to the ILH

The OIA as a league gave away a significant "hold" on it's chattel.

Most ILH schools will not just take a last minute transfer. But the OIA had to implement this rule or things would get out of hand.



Martin wrote:The OIA had to do this. MILILANI lost studs on defense,NAMU,Afele,Furuta and some other seniors. They get several new seniors from other schools,who start right away? Is this the NFL? So the mad rush will be on to get players on with a DE before this school year is up in order for them to play without sitting out. Imagine the underclassmen last year who played defense and wanted to step up this year. " Sorry, we gotta use our NEW defensive studs" if they go down, maybe you can play. " Heard Our award winning Band has open seats". Look at the band during the game. Now that's a general mix of actual kids living in the community. So Sad.

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They wouldn't be "last minute" transfers. They'd be 1 year waiting transfers. They could enroll at a private school immediately after deciding to seek greener pastures, or just sit out the requisite amount of time and join the school right before eligibility is available again.

Think a St. Francis or Damien, or even one of the Pac 5 schools at the behest of the Pac 5 program wouldn't take effective late bloomers? I do.

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twnoexcuses wrote:What's going to be interesting is that the OIA's implementation of a mandatory sit out is going to cause kids who bloom in their Freshman and even sophomore years to look seriously at ILH schools. Previously, kids only automatically sat in an OIA to ILH transfer. Now, if a kid must sit in an OIA to OIA transfer, but is welcomed at an ILH school and the finances work out, there is less disincentive to go to the ILH

The OIA as a league gave away a significant "hold" on it's chattel.

Most ILH schools will not just take a last minute transfer. But the OIA had to implement this rule or things would get out of hand.



Martin wrote:The OIA had to do this. MILILANI lost studs on defense,NAMU,Afele,Furuta and some other seniors. They get several new seniors from other schools,who start right away? Is this the NFL? So the mad rush will be on to get players on with a DE before this school year is up in order for them to play without sitting out. Imagine the underclassmen last year who played defense and wanted to step up this year. " Sorry, we gotta use our NEW defensive studs" if they go down, maybe you can play. " Heard Our award winning Band has open seats". Look at the band during the game. Now that's a general mix of actual kids living in the community. So Sad.

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What a terrible rule.

There are good reasons for transferring within the OIA. If my son was a D2 college talent but went to a school that fielded an uncompetitive football team, why wouldn't I want him to transfer to a Kaiser or Mililani?

Kids develop quickly in high school and the chance to play is fleeting. The powerhouse private schools won't be interested and my son needs to play for a school that will get him noticed. The OIA may be killing my son's chances for a scholarship.

It makes the OIA compete for on a level playing field but when it comes time for states, they are out of luck. Not a good rule, fixes a perceived problem by limiting opportunity for the student athletes. What really did that accomplish?

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shooter808 wrote:What a terrible rule.

There are good reasons for transferring within the OIA. If my son was a D2 college talent but went to a school that fielded an uncompetitive football team, why wouldn't I want him to transfer to a Kaiser or Mililani?

Kids develop quickly in high school and the chance to play is fleeting. The powerhouse private schools won't be interested and my son needs to play for a school that will get him noticed. The OIA may be killing my son's chances for a scholarship.

It makes the OIA compete for on a level playing field but when it comes time for states, they are out of luck. Not a good rule, fixes a perceived problem by limiting opportunity for the student athletes. What really did that accomplish?
1. sending your son to summer camps will to do more exposure then a typical high school football season. now days is differnet and the camps are key. isnt there a nanakuli kid with a pac-12 offer.
i wouldnt be worried about where he plays so much as IF he is any good. if u are good the colleges will know about you. your remarks and the problem with most parents is that they expect the head coach of a school to sell their kid and get that college scholly, nope, its the parents job!

2. if your districts football team is uncompetitive then im sure u knew about that well before your son enters into high school, you can transfer in the 8th grade and still have the full 4 years to play at your new school.
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shooter808 wrote:What a terrible rule.

There are good reasons for transferring within the OIA. If my son was a D2 college talent but went to a school that fielded an uncompetitive football team, why wouldn't I want him to transfer to a Kaiser or Mililani?

Kids develop quickly in high school and the chance to play is fleeting. The powerhouse private schools won't be interested and my son needs to play for a school that will get him noticed. The OIA may be killing my son's chances for a scholarship.

It makes the OIA compete for on a level playing field but when it comes time for states, they are out of luck. Not a good rule, fixes a perceived problem by limiting opportunity for the student athletes. What really did that accomplish?
How about your son just transfer to the nearest D1 high school? Again what's going to happen to the average kid who lives in Mililani all their life, played pop Warner and JV for Mililani, then does not get accepted to varsity because all the transfers? How can a typical 5/7 ,155 lbs. kid compete for a spot against 6/2 210 lbs. transfers?

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Martin-

No just compete. If u can't compete against 6'2 in high school what makes u think he will compete in college.


Don't hate the playa hate the game!!!

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People need to stop whinning about your programs and get involved, Mililani for the longest time under Millwood produced average football teams, they made head coaching changes twice and now look where they are at. St. Louis made a couple changes over the last decade and Kahuku did last year, look out for these two teams next year.

- Improve your coaching, Improve your community and then maybe the kids and parents will find something in your program to want to be a part of it.

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westside.gee wrote:People need to stop whinning about your programs and get involved, Mililani for the longest time under Millwood produced average football teams, they made head coaching changes twice and now look where they are at. St. Louis made a couple changes over the last decade and Kahuku did last year, look out for these two teams next year.

- Improve your coaching, Improve your community and then maybe the kids and parents will find something in your program to want to be a part of it.
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JUS_another_brotha wrote:Martin-

No just compete. If u can't compete against 6'2 in high school what makes u think he will compete in college.


Don't hate the playa hate the game!!!
So that 5/7 playa should go out of HIS district,where HIS family lives and look for a D2 program? Also you do not play HS football to get a scholarship. If your good enough,yes,but that was never the intention of high school sports.

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a little more about the ruless....http://www.hawaiiprepworld.com/girls-ba ... p+World%29

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The dilemma for Konawaena’s girls basketball team — a good problem or source of stress, depending on perspective — has simmered.

For coach Bobbie Awa, the arrival of three prominent Lahainaluna players recently could be a blessing or a curse, depending on how things unfold over the course of the next few weeks. Konawaena is in its third week of preseason, and there are risks involved with the transfers — sisters Lindsay Bates and Taylor Bates, and guard Aloha Salem.

According to administrators, the transfer rule and its facets are many. But in this case, there are some concerns for all parties involved.

>> By HHSAA and BIIF rule, the family of the children that transfer from one school to another is required to show proof that the family has vacated the previous home is mandatory. Example: a family that lives in a school district like Konawaena can’t go back to another residence for the weekends, whether it’s on the Big Island or another island. The family doesn’t necessarily have to sell its previous residence, but it must be, at the very least, vacated.

In this scenario, the Bates sisters live with their mother — who also moved — in Kona. Their father, Michael, doesn’t have to relocate, which means he didn’t have to leave his job on Maui. (Michael Bates responded via e-mail on Tuesday and declined to comment.)

>> There was a lingering question about the third transfer from Lahainaluna. Salem, who moved to Kona without her family, is eligible to play because the Bates sisters’ mother has legal guardianship through a court order, according to Konawaena principal Shawn Suzuki. He confirmed that all three student-athletes have been processed through the system and all paperwork has been handled. Suzuki, who is also president of the BIIF, is supremely confident about the situation.

“We have three girls from Lahainaluna who moved to Kona with their parents or guardian. They met all the transfer policies of the HHSAA and BIIF,” he said on Monday. “We hope the girls have an amazing experience. The most important thing is not athletics, but their academic and social experience. We definitely look forward to them graduating as Wildcats.”

“As long as their move is legitimate, as long as they have a court order (for Salem),” HHSAA executive director Chris Chun said. “They had (the court order) from before (the move). Konawaena is doing their due diligence.”

>> If the three transfers opt to return to Lahainaluna during the basketball season, all games that they played for Konawaena could be forfeited.

“The only consequence (of the transferring) is if they play (at Konawaena) without vacating their previous residence,” Chun said.

This is a major concern for Awa. Though the transfers have already played in a preseason game, forfeiture of preseason contests are not a big issue. There’s no way Awa, a longtime coach who has guided the Wildcats to four state championships, can guarantee that the three former Lunas won’t return to their original school during the season, though it is unlikely Lunas coach Todd Rickard would accept them back on his team. Awa is in a vulnerable position, forced to trust her new players and their families.
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Martin wrote:
JUS_another_brotha wrote:Martin-

No just compete. If u can't compete against 6'2 in high school what makes u think he will compete in college.


Don't hate the playa hate the game!!!
So that 5/7 playa should go out of HIS district,where HIS family lives and look for a D2 program? Also you do not play HS football to get a scholarship. If your good enough,yes,but that was never the intention of high school sports.
Most folks today need to use every option they have to afford college. Maybe the intention of high school sports wasn't to get a scholarship in the old days but back then, college wasn't 20-30 grand a year. who the heck can swing that?

People will always try to go where there is opportunity. Kind of like, what if you were locked in to working only for companies near where you lived? Not the same but free market makes everyone compete for students and that is how I view how the DOE should work. If everyone could go where the wanted within the DOE and schools with no enrollment just died, then schools would need to provide quality education or die slowly.

Free market works a for a lot of different things.

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Word here in Lahaina is these girls will play the season for Kona and return to graduate from Lahainaluna.

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Konawaena has been doing this for years now as Kealakehe kids routinely jump back and forth between the schools. I guess now they're extending their reach and including other sports.

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