unpaid wrote:So you still think it is harmful and uninformed to give academics more consideration than athletics in the college decision process?
That's not what you said orginally. Quit trying to be "right". That bus left a long time ago.
unpaid wrote:So you still think it is harmful and uninformed to give academics more consideration than athletics in the college decision process?
unpaid wrote:How is it unfair or dangerous for a parent to give more priority to academics over athletics?
dirtylickens wrote:in my opinion, what is to keep coaches from offering parents "kickbacks" to students and parents who join there program? say we open the rules up for students to come and go as they please. If your son isn't playing at a school like Kahuku, have him transfer to Kaiser, or Mililani. I just feel like yes this has been happening in the past. Kids have been jumping ship and joining other OIA schools. But with what I have seen within the past few years, it is getting more and more abundant to see kids going to schools across town. If you we allow recruits or athletes to decide where they want to go, you will essentially have a NCAA atmosphere here in high school. We see what is happening with unions on the college level, so where would twonexcuses want to see this transfer rule stop? if at all.
Everyone has the freedom to live where they want. Im not saying that if you live in Kalihi, you cant move to Mililani to have your child attend that school. My problem is more so in the examples given on other message boards where parents send one chilld (athlete) to the school across town or on the other side of the island because of there football program, and keep there other child(non athlete) in their school district. Now I may not be one to talk, because i attended a private school, but from my perspective... i envied public schools when it came to community sport. Attending a private school brings together kids from a bunch of different areas and the community support is not as strong. But when i look at schools like Farrington and Kahuku, it is something to be said for the sacrifice that these fan bases incur while supporting their community team. Now that has nothing to do with kids choosing to go to a different schools but it does have to do with programs and schools. You abolish the transfer rule, and then the enrollment process and numbers for schools are completely irrelevant. Schools will close and this will effect much more than just athletics. I agree, parents should be able to decide what is best for their children, but by abolishing the transfer rule, i feel as if students lose quite a bit of community pride. We've seen it with McKinley, Roosevelt, and Kaimuki. Im not trying to convince you either way, just trying to explain why I am against abolishing the rule.twnoexcuses wrote:dirtylickens wrote:in my opinion, what is to keep coaches from offering parents "kickbacks" to students and parents who join there program? say we open the rules up for students to come and go as they please. If your son isn't playing at a school like Kahuku, have him transfer to Kaiser, or Mililani. I just feel like yes this has been happening in the past. Kids have been jumping ship and joining other OIA schools. But with what I have seen within the past few years, it is getting more and more abundant to see kids going to schools across town. If you we allow recruits or athletes to decide where they want to go, you will essentially have a NCAA atmosphere here in high school. We see what is happening with unions on the college level, so where would twonexcuses want to see this transfer rule stop? if at all.
I'd like to see the transfer rule stop and be abolished dead in its tracks.
Aside from kids jumptng ship (which I see as a right deiived form the freedom to live where you want, and to go to school where you want as long as the system has room) aAll the "horribles" you speak of revolve around the conduct of coaches trying to get a competitive advantage through improper means, and adults engaged in improper conduct who have some sort of weird interest in the success of a high school football program. What, if there is the compulsion to do those things, do you think will stop those people from doing those things? Well, perhaps make it ILLEGAL (with jail time attached) to do those things. Perhaps make it a loss of employment offense to do those things, But not a transer rule. Those poeple will still try to do those things either through loophole or deceptions. Don't make that the problem of the kids, or the parents seeking better for their kids - which is what the transfer rule does. Deal with the problem, if there is indeed a problem. Even the NCAA has that right. It penalizes the institutions and the boosters for recruiting violations. Not the players.
So what if Kahuku, or Kaiser or Mililani have good football teams? So what? Who was the OIA West division champ in 2011? Remember? I don't.
TheDuke wrote:rules shouldn't be put in place to penalize those that are moving for legitimate reasons.
You monitor the athletes and the coaches and penalize those that are abusing the system. Is it hard? Yes, it is. But you don't penalize the legit moves and transfers.
And this is HS football. It isn't that big of a deal.
unpaid wrote:twnoexcuses,
If it is not wrong for a parent to place more emphasis on academics over athletics,why do you insist I am misleading parents when I make that suggestion,or get upset that some parents might agree with me?
unpaid wrote:twnoexcuses,
I see. It is not enough that the thought is right.You have to approve of the person who makes the suggestion. I bet your fun to be around.
Lets talk about deluded. Parents of 4 and 5 star football athletes aren't under any delusions about whether their kids are going to get a full ride,assuming the grades are there.What parents are we talking about here.I'm thinking that a parent who has an unranked kid might have a problem.