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FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:06 pm
by saynotomercs
Ranking the Top 25 Prospects from the 2013-2015 classes

What do you guys think? Where did I go wrong?

1. OT/OG Semisi Uluave 6'5" 290 Punahou 2015
2. DT Kennedy Tulimasealii 6'1" 280 Waianae 2013
3. QB Ryder Kuhns 6'1" 180 Saint Louis 2015
4. DE/OLB Ualesi Sale 6'3" 225 Aiea 2013
5. OLB/DE Jordan Hoiem 6'4" 210 Baldwin 2014
6. OG Reeve Koehler 6'4" 310 Saint Louis 2013
7. QB Larry Tuileta 6'2" 190 Punahou 2014
8. WR Jeremy Tabuyo 5'11" 180 Saint Louis 2013
9. LB Isaac Savaiianaea 6'3" 235 Punahou 2013
10. DE Canton Kaumatule 6'7" 260 Punahou 2015
11. DT Scott Pagano 6'3" 280 Moanalua 2013
12. OG Fred Ulu-Perry 6'2" 290 Saint Louis 2015
13. DE Breiden Fehoko 6'2" 225 Farrington 2015
14. WR Devan Stubblefield 6'1" 180 Saint Louis 2014
15. OC/OG Davis Saipaia-Miyashiro 6'2" 275 Punahou 2014
16. MLB Colton Goeas 6'0" 240 Saint Louis 2013
17. DE/FB Fitou Fisiahi 6'2" 240 Kaiser 2014
18. DE/OLB Kamalei Correa 6'3" 240 Saint Louis 2013
19. DT Jeremiah Taleni 6'0" 310 Kailua 2013
20. DT/DE Lamone Williams 6'2" 250 Kahuku 2014
21. OG John Wa'a 6'3" 275 Kahuku 2013
22. OLB/S Manly Williams 6'2" 205 Farrington 2014
23. DE Dakota Turner 6'3" 245 Mililani 2013
24. OG Louis Vailopa 6'3" 290 Saint Louis 2014
25. WR Kanawai Noa 5'10" 170 Punahou 2015

Underclassmen to watch:

WR/DB Drew Kell 6'1" 180 Hilo 2014
DE/OLB Mike Tafua 6'3" 220 Kamehameha 2015
DT Kalei Meyer 6'3" 260 Kamehameha 2014
MLB/DL Mathias Tuitele-Iafeta 5'11" 250 McKinley 2014
S Soli Afalava 6'1" 185 Kahuku 2015
DE Kingston Fernandez 6'3" 225 Kamehameha 2014

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:28 pm
by rrforlifebaby
I'm not sure how you don't have Aofaga Wily on this list. Maybe not as a running back, but I would love to see him as a linebacker at the next level.
Personally, based on what I've seen, I think Pagano is rated too high. Maybe he'll mature at the next level...
Other than that, your list looks pretty good.

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:43 pm
by saynotomercs
rrforlifebaby wrote:I'm not sure how you don't have Aofaga Wily on this list. Maybe not as a running back, but I would love to see him as a linebacker at the next level.
Personally, based on what I've seen, I think Pagano is rated too high. Maybe he'll mature at the next level...
Other than that, your list looks pretty good.
I like Aofaga Wily as a prospect, but more at SS than OLB. Not sure if his frame could take 230 lbs. He'd normally make any type of list, but the amount of individual talent on the prep scene is extraordinary right now.

I think I've been pretty critical of both Pagano and Savaiianaea for their lack of productivity. Perhaps only in the states of Florida and Georgia would two players who hold University of Florida offers be rated outside of the Top 8 in a ranking of three classes. I agree they're overrated, but both are bona fide BCS-caliber prospects because of their measurables.

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 5:32 am
by fanoffb
One small correction is that Dakota Turner is a senior this year.

I'm not sure if this list is the top 25 players in the state, but it's certainly better than what I might be able to come up with. Given that, it's amazing the number of St. Louis players on here, yet they weren't able to have a more successful season this year.

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:45 am
by kapakahi
saynotomercs wrote:Ranking the Top 25 Prospects from the 2013-2015 classes

What do you guys think? Where did I go wrong?

Underclassmen to watch:

WR/DB Drew Kell 6'1" 180 Hilo 2014
DE/OLB Mike Tafua 6'3" 220 Kamehameha 2015
DT Kalei Meyer 6'3" 260 Kamehameha 2014
MLB/DL Mathias Tuitele-Iafeta 5'11" 250 McKinley 2014
S Soli Afalava 6'1" 185 Kahuku 2015
DE Kingston Fernandez 6'3" 225 Kamehameha 2014
As a Crusader supporter, kinda surprised that you didn't include RB Adam Noga (5-10, 185) at least in the category of "Underclassmen to Watch".

Would also at least add the following to that same "Underclassmen to Watch" category:
- DE Hercules Mata'afa (6-4, 220) Lahainaluna 2014
- DT Kalani Vakameilalo (6-4, 280) Kapolei 2014

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:13 am
by saynotomercs
fanoffb wrote:One small correction is that Dakota Turner is a senior this year.

I'm not sure if this list is the top 25 players in the state, but it's certainly better than what I might be able to come up with. Given that, it's amazing the number of St. Louis players on here, yet they weren't able to have a more successful season this year.
Thanks for pointing out the Turner typo. fixed

I was fairly aggressive in the rankings of Kuhns and Stubblefield. I think speculation over their placement is warranted. Here's my reasoning:

Ryder Kuhns has more pure throwing talent than all Crusader quarterbacks to come before him save Mariota. Plus, he was remarkably efficient given that he trained as the 3rd QB almost all off-season, getting far less reps than Mook-Garcia or even Faleafine. Kuhns is a natural who is comfortable throwing from the pocket. It's an aggressive projection, but considering that comparable talents in Gesser, Chang and Arceneaux were well-recruited, I think it has some basis.

I rated Stubblefield far higher than almost anyone would because of the side-to-side comparison with Tabuyo, who is arguably the most highly sought-after local wideout since Jason Rivers. While Tabuyo has better speed (which is elite), agility and pattern-running skills, Stubblefied is bigger and has better hands. Stubblefield ran a 4.52 at the same combine in which Tabuyo ran 4.43, which is roughly Tabuyo's three-year average. Stubblefield is a fast 6'1" 180.

I think Kahuku and Punahou have every right to claim that they were better than Saint Louis even if the Crusaders played optimally. But how do the Crusaders get shut out in their LAST THREE HALVES of the season? I think people are finally seeing the light that I've been trying to shine for a couple of years now.

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:18 am
by saynotomercs
kapakahi wrote:
saynotomercs wrote:Ranking the Top 25 Prospects from the 2013-2015 classes

What do you guys think? Where did I go wrong?

Underclassmen to watch:

WR/DB Drew Kell 6'1" 180 Hilo 2014
DE/OLB Mike Tafua 6'3" 220 Kamehameha 2015
DT Kalei Meyer 6'3" 260 Kamehameha 2014
MLB/DL Mathias Tuitele-Iafeta 5'11" 250 McKinley 2014
S Soli Afalava 6'1" 185 Kahuku 2015
DE Kingston Fernandez 6'3" 225 Kamehameha 2014
As a Crusader supporter, kinda surprised that you didn't include RB Adam Noga (5-10, 185) at least in the category of "Underclassmen to Watch".

Would also at least add the following to that same "Underclassmen to Watch".ategory:
- DE Hercules Mata'afa (6-4, 220) Lahainaluna 2014
- DT Kalani Vakameilalo (6-4, 280) Kapolei 2014
I should've included Noga on the watch list. But I think size is a legitimate issue with him. I don't think he's anywhere near 185 and I'd be shocked if he was. He looks more like 170-175. He's not quite fast enough to be an FBS RB at that weight. If he was 190 I'd call him a legit 3-star. He reminds me a lot of Florida's Mike Gillislee.

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:44 am
by buffandblue4life
Also on the watch for next year:

OL - Stansen Fonoti 6'3 305 - Waianae 2014
OL- Micah Kapoi 6"41/2 285 - Kapolei 2014
DL- Kennedy Brown 6' 1" 240 - Punahou 2015
OL- Dallas Kaapuni 6'0 280 - Kapolei 2014

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:56 pm
by Pun Dad
I do think the list skews towards the Saints. 9 STL players, 10 if Noga is included, but only 2 Kahuku, and 1 each from Mililani and Farrington, none from Kam or Leilehua. Also Stublefield 11 slots above Noa, who had more recieving yards than Tabuya and Stublefield combined?

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:19 pm
by budsdad
throwing some additional names out there:
Luke Morris - Punahou - 2014 5'11" 160 - great all round player at a variety of positions all year.
Trent Sitar - Punahou - 2014 5'10" 170 - very durable and tough slot receiver - made an impact at the end of the season catching 17 passes in the last three games - a great underneath compliment to Noa's deep threat.
Since it seems that Hawaii skill players are widely overlooked (especially by UH), these two will play somewhere at some level.

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:36 pm
by kapakahi
Pun Dad wrote:I do think the list skews towards the Saints. 9 STL players, 10 if Noga is included, but only 2 Kahuku, and 1 each from Mililani and Farrington, none from Kam or Leilehua. Also Stublefield 11 slots above Noa, who had more recieving yards than Tabuya and Stublefield combined?
budsdad wrote:throwing some additional names out there:
Luke Morris - Punahou - 2014 5'11" 160 - great all round player at a variety of positions all year.
Trent Sitar - Punahou - 2014 5'10" 170 - very durable and tough slot receiver - made an impact at the end of the season catching 17 passes in the last three games - a great underneath compliment to Noa's deep threat.
Since it seems that Hawaii skill players are widely overlooked (especially by UH), these two will play somewhere at some level.
Surprising that neither of you BuffanBlu backers are mentioning 2014 DE Ruairi Brady (6-4, 240).

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:06 pm
by kapakahi
saynotomercs wrote:
kapakahi wrote:As a Crusader supporter, kinda surprised that you didn't include RB Adam Noga (5-10, 185) at least in the category of "Underclassmen to Watch".
I should've included Noga on the watch list. But I think size is a legitimate issue with him. I don't think he's anywhere near 185 and I'd be shocked if he was. He looks more like 170-175. He's not quite fast enough to be an FBS RB at that weight. If he was 190 I'd call him a legit 3-star. He reminds me a lot of Florida's Mike Gillislee.
While maybe not that big, still an effective inside runner for his size.....and while maybe super fast and/or shifty, hits the line of scrimmage quickly and decisively. Busted quite a few long TD runs this past season.....and never seemed to get caught from behind.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/426096/#highlights/36493409

With his very lean build, could easily see Noga gaining another 15 pounds of muscle to get up to around 190+. Don't see size, strength or speed as his major drawbacks, but mostly ball security issues.

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:30 am
by budsdad
you're right. my bad - Ruairi's a stud! sorry - focused too much on the skill positions.

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:49 pm
by saynotomercs
Ruairi looks the part, but didn't exactly impress me this season. I know he's probably miscast as a 3-4 end, but he didn't seem to stick out on a somewhat overrated defense.

Re: FBS Prospect Big Board

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:19 am
by letsgobows
im curious to see how the recruiting for Mathias Tuitele-Iafeta goes next season. too bad hes not 2-3 inches taller.